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Northern Rock (NRK)     

irlee57 - 13 Aug 2007 09:03

any comments, thoughts, on this stock.

cynic - 26 Nov 2007 08:48 - 901 of 1029

NRK sp has shot up to about 95 ..... quite extraordinary, unless some bidder has galloped up the rails to dislodge Virgin

bhunt1910 - 26 Nov 2007 08:50 - 902 of 1029

dont understand that - I thought Virgins bid would value the shares at about 20p - if that??

hewittalan6 - 26 Nov 2007 08:54 - 903 of 1029

Must be a feeling that either a white knight is charging up the rails or that the rights issue at 25p is a dramatically reduced ahre price to ensure full take up, therefore making the net cost of your future holding much more attractive.

Strawbs - 26 Nov 2007 09:01 - 904 of 1029

Yep. Assuming you must be a shareholder to take advantage of the 25p rights issue, and it's difficult to short the shares anyway, maybe people are buying so they can take advantage of the offer and that's mopping up excess liquidity.

In my opinion...

Strawbs.

cynic - 26 Nov 2007 09:06 - 905 of 1029

why would you buy now when you can buy right issue stock assuredly cheaper than this morning's price when it comes on the market?

it can only be a huge bear squeeze as shorters scramble for stock, excacerbated as non-guaranteed stops are hit

and there was me a couple of days back marginally whining that i had taken my profits too early!

hlyeo98 - 26 Nov 2007 09:27 - 906 of 1029

You were smart to sell cynic. I am still there though, any advice?

skinny - 26 Nov 2007 09:30 - 907 of 1029

STOCKWATCH Northern Rock up 40 pct as investors try to gauge Virgin news




LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Stricken mortgage lender Northern Rock was up
nearly 39 pct as traders short-covered the stock while investors assessed news
that the group has confirmed that it is to take forward takeover discussions
with the Virgin Consortium.
At 9.23 am, Northern Rock shares were up 32 pence, or nearly 39 pct, at 119.
The consortium, which comprises Virgin Group, US buyout firm WL Ross & Co,
UK hedge fund Tosca Fund Asset Management and First Eastern Investment Group,
would inject 1.3 bln stg into the business, as well merge the group into the
Virgin money brand. The implied value of the group, which would be rebranded
Virgin Money, is 250 mln stg, Northern Rock said.
"Virgin Money isn't worth 250 mln stg," said an analyst at a UK broker. "It
only made around 10 mln stg in pretax profits last year."
Virgin will provide half of the amount in cash and half will be raised
through a new share offer to existing shareholders priced at 25 pence per share.
Virgin's indicative proposal includes an 11 bln stg repayment to the Bank of
England, and Northern Rock added that the BoE will have a "clear path to
repayment in full".
Sandy Chen, an analyst at Panmure Gordon, wrote in a note to shareholders
that going forward with the Virgin talks was "good for Virgin" but "dilutive for
shareholders". Panmure cut its target price for the group to 40 pence and
maintained its 'sell' recommendation.
"We have also not changed our views that even though a substantial
portion of the BOE funding may be repaid, the continuing high costs of debt
funding will severely impact margins," Chen said.
He added that a sharp slowdown in lending will "hurt top-line growth" and
said that his earliest expectations of profits would be in 2009.


cynic - 26 Nov 2007 09:49 - 908 of 1029

hyleo .... are you long or short? ...... if long, then no question but sell ..... if short, then you must be hurting badly but guess no option than to stay that way, if you can bear the pain .... my logic is that once the rights issued is formalised, the sp must surely drop (mustn't it?) and for myself, am tempted to re-short at the current level.

hlyeo98 - 26 Nov 2007 09:51 - 909 of 1029

So short is the message, cynic.

cynic - 26 Nov 2007 09:56 - 910 of 1029

if any action at all

hlyeo98 - 26 Nov 2007 10:16 - 911 of 1029

Are you shorting NRK today...the price is dropping

ptholden - 26 Nov 2007 10:40 - 912 of 1029

hlyeo, if you have to ask other posters what advice to take on a stock, perhaps you should consider not taking any positions at all, especially short ones on margin!

cynic - 26 Nov 2007 10:42 - 913 of 1029

i have not shorted further, but still may do

ptholden - 26 Nov 2007 10:43 - 914 of 1029

Seems that the price is far from dropping - up 28% today

cynic - 26 Nov 2007 10:45 - 915 of 1029

Peter .... sp has been an awful olot higher this morning .... think i saw it as high as 140 earlier, and could certainly have dealt in high 120s

ptholden - 26 Nov 2007 10:49 - 916 of 1029

with all the rumours, counter rumours and even facts, NRK is gonna be a volatile jobbie, mind you can't help but agree that it has to be a short, but no position for me

hlyeo98 - 26 Nov 2007 11:09 - 917 of 1029

I'm not asking you, pth, you can keep your tiny grey matter to yourself.

ptholden - 26 Nov 2007 11:24 - 918 of 1029

you might not be asking me, but i'm telling you, stay away from the leveraged products until you at least have a tiny idea what you are doing :)

cynic - 26 Nov 2007 11:28 - 919 of 1029

come on children ..... bad golf this w/e Peter (lol)? .... confess to being very cheesed yesterday in a 4-ball knockout .... we were 3 down with 4 to play and pulled it back to flat by 18th .... looked as though we should have that tied up too, but they made a miraculous recovery from what looked to be dead and i 3-putted! .... we lost on 19th (my fault again)

ptholden - 26 Nov 2007 11:30 - 920 of 1029

Just got home Richard so haven't played yet, probably Wednesday, will also give you a call soon re sorting out a round.
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