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Northern Rock (NRK)     

irlee57 - 13 Aug 2007 09:03

any comments, thoughts, on this stock.

mojo47 - 28 Nov 2007 09:43 - 941 of 1029

Got in last friday and then out on monday, i will leave them alone now for a while, dont understand what's going on with them or what the future for them. i think they would be a good long term hold if you had the cash just to sit on it but as i havent i cant

G D Potts - 28 Nov 2007 13:23 - 942 of 1029

long term hold?? Im pretty sure they wont exist as Northern Rock for that much longer,

mojo47 - 28 Nov 2007 19:39 - 943 of 1029

what do you think will happen to Northern Rock, I dont know I have a feeling that they have a chance in time to get back in the game. I havent the cash to stay and wait but we will see

cynic - 28 Nov 2007 20:07 - 944 of 1029

too difficult to play this one at all ..... too many anti-personnel mines!

mojo47 - 28 Nov 2007 21:40 - 945 of 1029

yes and i have stood on one or two so i will stay clear now, I have had my fun. looking to the next, little tickle on the market

halifax - 28 Nov 2007 23:50 - 946 of 1029

If you think about it seriously the chances of NRK surviving are still zero what we have is a political situation. Brown cannot afford to lose votes in the north east if NRK goes under. Branson and probably others are looking to gain great advantages by helping Brown to keep NRK afloat. Just like Mr Abrhams has done with his disguised donations to the Labour Party.

cynic - 16 Dec 2007 18:13 - 947 of 1029

surely there must still be money to be made here on a short tack ..... am quite tempted to take that risk tomorrow

cobras - 19 Dec 2007 16:50 - 948 of 1029

hello guys,,,,,if rock is going to be natinalize what uppen to the share prize?

cynic - 19 Dec 2007 16:55 - 949 of 1029

i confess i fail to see why the shares are worth 2 beans, yet they strengthened today ...... one thing is for sure - RAB and the other crew are going to lose their shirts ..... pity innit

cobras - 19 Dec 2007 17:09 - 950 of 1029

thanks cynic,,,whos RAB ,,,,so you think the share they will be worthless?

cynic - 19 Dec 2007 17:50 - 951 of 1029

RAB is one of the big hedge funds as are the other clowns who were buying hand over fist ..... yes, i do think the shares are worth zilch, but disinclined to short even assuming there is someone who would lend the stock to allow it

hlyeo98 - 15 Jan 2008 09:51 - 952 of 1029

NRK is moving now...69p.


Northern Rock chairman urges shareholders to re-elect board - report - AFX


LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Northern Rock chairman Bryan Sanderson has warned leading shareholders that the stricken mortgage lender is more likely to be nationalised if its board is not re-elected at today's extraordinary general meeting, the Daily Telegraph reported.

The paper said Sanderson has been in contact with RAB Capital and SRM Global, two hedge funds that own 18 pct of the bank between them, to urge them to support re-election of the board.

Shareholders are due to vote on a package of measures aimed at giving them more control over Northern Rock's efforts to sell itself off, alongside the re-election of the current board.

The proposals were tabled by RAB and SRM, which are concerned that Northern Rock's management could be pressurised by the government into selling the bank at a price they consider too cheap.

The government, which has bailed out Northern Rock via a 25 bln stg Bank of England loan, is contemplating nationalising the bank in an effort to recoup its money.

At the weekend, it emerged that the government has approached former Lloyd's of London chief Ron Sandler to chair Northern Rock if the bank is taken into public ownership.

But in a separate report, the Financial Times said a revolt by Northern Rock shareholders will not force Prime Minister Gordon Brown into making a snap decision on whether to nationalise the bank.


skinny - 15 Jan 2008 09:53 - 953 of 1029

In auction (again)

cynic - 15 Jan 2008 10:14 - 954 of 1029

am almost inclined to believe shares now almost worthless, but am not brave enough to short ..... in fact, that may not even be possible

skinny - 15 Jan 2008 11:33 - 955 of 1029

Northern Rock shareholder sees private solution to crisis




NEWCASTLE (Thomson Financial) - A leading shareholder in Northern Rock today
predicted that a private rescuer for the stricken mortgage lender will be found,
downplaying mounting concerns the bank could be nationalised.
Addressing a shareholder meeting in Newcastle, Jon Wood of hedge fund SRM
Global said he believed there would be a "private solution" to Northern Rock's
financial crisis.
SRM and rival hedge fund RAB Capital have built up an 18 pct stake in
Northern Rock between them, and are asking fellow shareholders to support
proposals which would limit management's ability to sell the bank without
consulting investors.
The hedge funds are concerned that otherwise management may be pressurised
by the government into selling too cheaply.
However, there are fears that if the measures are approved, the government
could respond by nationalising the lender and selling off its assets in an
effort to recoup a 25 bln stg emergency loan from the Bank of England.
At the weekend, it was reported that the government has already lined up
former Lloyd's of London chief Ron Sandler to chair Northern Rock if it decides
to take the group into public ownership.
RAB Capital chief executive Philip Richards today said nationalisation would
be a "slow death" for Northern Rock.
Northern Rock is in talks with two potential private sector buyers -- a
consortium fronted by Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Group, and Olivant Advisers,
a buyout firm led by former Abbey chief executive Luqman Arnold -- but both are
believed to be struggling to raise the finance needed to start paying off the
lender's BoE debt.
Northern Rock chairman Bryan Sanderson today stressed that the bank is still
hopeful of a finding a private buyer.
"We are looking for a private sector solution. Whether the group is
nationalised or not is a matter for the government over which we have no
control," he told the shareholder meeting.
Separately, Northern Rock chief executive Andy Kuipers said there were signs
the bank is stabilising, with deposit outflows in December falling to their
slowest pace since the group's crisis began in mid-September.
Northern Rock, once the UK's eighth-biggest bank by market value, was
crippled by funding problems in September when rising defaults against US
sub-prime mortgages prompted banks to stop lending to each other.
That left the UK lender, which had relied heavily on borrowing in the
wholesale markets to fund itself, with no option but to seek emergency support
from the BoE.



skinny - 15 Jan 2008 12:08 - 956 of 1029

I wish I had his insight :-)


UK's Darling tells Cabinet Northern Rock business model 'had no plan B' UPDATE




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LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Chancellor Alistair Darling reminded his
Cabinet colleagues today that the situation at troubled lender Northern Rock PLC
arose because the bank's business model had "no plan B" if it ran into
difficulty, said Prime Minister Gordon Brown's spokesman Michael Ellam.
Northern Rock was discussed in the context of the broader turbulence shaking
the global economy, Ellam said, repeating the government's assertion that all
options remain on the table, including nationalisation.
The bank's shareholders meet today to vote on measures which would limit its
ability to sell itself off, amid growing fears the group will be nationalised if
a private takeover does not materialise.
The proposals have been tabled by hedge fund shareholders SRM Global and RAB
Capital, who have built up an 18 pct stake in Northern Rock between them, and
are worried that the bank's management could be pressurised by the government
into selling at a price they consider too low.
Last month, Northern Rock urged investors to vote against the proposals,
arguing that they would "materially restrict" its efforts to find a rescuer.
Ellam declined to comment on the government's view of the hedge funds'
actions.
"I think the prime minister's general position in relation to Northern Rock,
as he's made very clear, is that the priorities for the government are to ensure
that we protect the interests of taxpayers, that we protect the interests of
depositors and savers in the economy and that we take action in order to promote
wider financial stability," he said.
The government is anxious to ensure that a 25 bln stg emergency loan to
Northern Rock from the Bank of England is paid back, and is thought likely to
sell off parts of the lender in order to recoup the money if it nationalises the
group.
Two private sector bidders -- a consortium fronted by Sir Richard Branson's
Virgin Group and Olivant Advisers, a buyout firm led by former Abbey boss Luqman
Arnold -- are in talks with Northern Rock, but there are fears they will be
unable to raise the money needed to start paying off the BoE loan.
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skinny - 15 Jan 2008 13:16 - 957 of 1029

Northern Rock continuing search for private buyer UPDATE




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NEWCASTLE (Thomson Financial) - Northern Rock chairman Bryan Sanderson said
the stricken lender expects to complete a strategic review by mid-February, and
is continuing to look for a private buyer, despite growing speculation it will
be nationalised.
"We are looking for a private sector solution. Whether the group is
nationalised or not is a matter for the government over which we have no
control," Sanderson told a shareholder meeting in Newcastle today.
Sanderson's comments came as Northern Rock shareholders prepared to vote on
proposals, tabled by the bank's two biggest shareholders, which would limit
management's ability to sell the group without consulting investors.
The measures were drawn up by hedge funds RAB Capital and SRM Global, who
have built up an 18 pct stake in the bank between them, and are anxious that
management could be pressurised by the government into selling too cheaply.
Northern Rock's board has urged shareholders to vote against the proposals.
There are fears that if they are approved, the government could respond by
nationalising the lender and selling off its assets in an effort to recoup a 25
bln stg emergency loan from the Bank of England.
Northern Rock is in talks with two potential private sector buyers -- a
consortium fronted by Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Group, and Olivant Advisers,
a buyout firm led by former Abbey chief executive Luqman Arnold -- but both are
believed to be struggling to raise the finance needed to start paying off the
lender's BoE debt.
At the weekend, it was reported that the government has already lined up
former Lloyd's of London chief Ron Sandler to chair Northern Rock if it decides
to take the group into public ownership.
However, the Financial Times reported today that Prime Minister Gordon Brown
would not be forced into making a snap decision on whether to nationalise
Northern Rock if the bank's other shareholders back SRM and RAB Capital today.
Addressing today's meeting, SRM founder Jon Wood said he also believed there
would be a "private solution" to Northern Rock's crisis, while RAB Capital chief
executive Philip Richards warned that nationalisation would spell a "slow death"
for Northern Rock.
Separately, Northern Rock chief executive Andy Kuipers said there were signs
the bank is stabilising, with deposit outflows in December falling to their
slowest pace since the group's crisis began in mid-September.
Northern Rock, once the UK's eighth-biggest bank by market value, was
crippled by funding problems in September when rising defaults against US
sub-prime mortgages prompted banks to stop lending to each other.
That left the UK lender, which had relied heavily on borrowing in the
wholesale markets to fund itself, with no option but to seek emergency support
from the BoE.
Sir Ian Gibson, Northern Rock's senior non-executive director, today told
shareholders that while the bank had held takeover talks with a number of other
banks including Lloyds TSB in the immediate aftermath of the crisis, none of
them had made an offer for the group.
"No banks in discussions with us were capable of bringing an offer to the
table," Gibson said.
Northern Rock's Sanderson also told shareholders today that no board member
had been paid a bonus since September. It was reported at the weekend that the
bank is paying senior staff members bonuses of up to 100,000 stg a year as part
of an incentive scheme.
Northern Rock shares were down 14 pct at 71 pence by 12.40 pm, with analysts
attributing the decline to worries the bank will be taken into public ownership
at a price below the current share price.




ahoj - 15 Jan 2008 13:41 - 958 of 1029

What was the price on its first day of trading eight years ago, I think?

cynic - 15 Jan 2008 13:44 - 959 of 1029

600 in 1998, but suspect it was trading before then .... feel to about 300 a couple of year later, since when, it never looked back until late 2007

halifax - 15 Jan 2008 14:34 - 960 of 1029

Whats happened to Dicky Pickles has he fallen off his white horse. Must dust off my copy of Sinatra's "MY wAY".....and now the end is near.......
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