Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

If the UK extension of article 50 lasts beond the the EU elections - will the British be voting for their own members?

Interesting talk about the mess that parliament and the country are in over Brexit.

Remember Cameron and Osborne and a tory clique created the problem and T. Maybe continue digging and expanding the hole they were in.

It wasn't Labour or Lib/Dem or SNP doing the negotiations, they didn't have the plans or the civil service backings of research etc..

Put the chaos down to the tory's elite's conceit. They should own up to their inadequacies and recognise their failings and walk the plank.

while labour have no policy at all, as demonstrated in a number of interviews over the last week or two

If I was dealing with the present bunch of tories I would say "show me the books and let me see ALL the information" and then we will discuss the possibilities.

That includes potential damage of exiting.

Members of the present tory elite are behaving like secondhand car dealers of old.

Fred , why would I jump off a cliff with Mrs May because she lost a vote on a deal that I've never supported ?

As for a general election , you do realise that even after the almighty cock up that May has made of negotiating a deal she and her party are still ahead of Corby and the Loonie Left Party ? Says it all really.

Hils , I'm not against say a three month extension period followed by a six month implementation period for a managed no deal.

May should resign and a caretaker appointed to try and get a consensus in Parliament for a proper deal.

I'm still waiting for Labour to come up with any viable alternative to no deal. Their six tests are a non starter.

EU are sounding a bit pissed off with us this morning so finally we're starting to get things right. They've had it all their own way so far , now it's time to start the real negotiations.

Members of the present tory elite are behaving like secondhand car dealers of old.

Of which you will know a lot about. Do you spend all of your half-living day on this site? Curious existence. Let's hope for your sake that your brother is right and you find something more useful to do.

Voting at the next election would be a start.

as far as i can determine, and it's far from easy, both major parties have near enough equal support
how much that will change, if at all, after last night's vote, is impossible to say

however, at this point in a parliament, the opposition should be romping ahead which clearly labour are not

Manuel,

If you are right, now is the time for the tories to eject T. May, formulate its Brexit position and position on a New Referendum, then explain it to itself and the country and then put its "policies" in its manifesto and call a G/E.

The result may cause dissatisfaction but at least it would be reasonably honest and respect the electorate, rather than continue governing as an oligarchy.

Whichever, party forms the next government should postpone Article 50 for 3-6months and then negotiate or revoke Brexit.

Continuing to govern as now is folly.

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It,

Thank you for your opinion.

PS.

I see Nicola Sturgeon is in the HP.

Is she standing for election as PM of the Littler England?

postpone Article 50 for 3-6months and then negotiate or revoke Brexit.
i suspect either of those has a reasonable likelihood, but over what timescale is anyone's guess

that said, despite all the huffing and puffing from all sorts of quarters - including the labour party of course - i doubt that the deal currently struck has much wriggle-room, or at least none to which eu would agree

I can't see the loopholes.

Personally, and for my grandchildren's sake would prefer to remain in the EU and negotiate with mutual respect on both sides when drawing up rules, regulations, contracts and laws.

(SENSIBLE NEGOTIATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL.)

For all its faults more countries wish to join the EU rather than leave.

I thought sanity was defined by the majority rather than a small minority.

From Fred's post

''I thought sanity was defined by the majority rather than a small minority.''

Unless it doesn't suit eh! Hypocrite

Of course they do when the big countries are willing to write blank cheques for them. Yes sanity was defined be the majority in the referendum but did you accept that ? Selective use of metaphors as usual.

P 11578 George well have you?

Why are you so frightened to have an informed referendum?

If you are right the result should endorse your position.

Democracy gives the right to the electorate to change its mind.

T Maybe had an election after a year as PM. to "confirm her position" No real difference between that and an Informed Referendum.

Dil,

Yesterday's photos please!

:o)

But seriously, there is no such a thing as a 'managed no deal' and preparations for a no deal extend far beyond parking up a few lorries on a disused airfield and inviting the press along, however, once the first extension of Article 50 is obtained, a second one and/or subsequent revocation will be easy. It's just that nobody (least of all, either May or Corbyn) wants to be seen as the person who halted Brexit without having somebody else to blame - it's career suicide. These things are so much easier with cross-party support.

TM doing very well today and putting up a good fight that suggests that she is willing to run the clock down and give the people what they wanted. i.e. a Clean Break from the EU rather than give in to those that want the EU to rule over the British.

Do keep up C/T.

Why are you so frightened to have an informed referendum?

I am not, I just want it on the same terms as you ie If I don’t like the outcome I can ignore the result and demand another one.