Hello.

Further to the problems we were having a few weeks ago, we've been working on a new system architecture and it's now (I think) ready for some load testing.

Functionally we've been using it for the last week, and it's identical to the live site: running from the same databases (so the bulletin boards on it have live data, and any posts made to them appear on the main site etc etc)

If you would like to test this new site, you'll need to do the following:
Delete your MoneyAM cookies from your browser (in Firefox you can do that from the Tools/Options/Privacy menu, in IE the easiest way is to 'delete cookies' from the Tools / Internet options menu (note: you'll delete all your cookies this way!))
Point your web browser to: http://test.moneyam.com/
Start using that site.


The deleting of your MoneyAM cookies is vital, else you won't be able to log into the new site (you'll keep getting directed back to the login screen).

Also, if you then want to start using the main site again (http://www.moneyam.com), you'll need to go through the delete cookies routine again. Due to them running different software versions, the cookies are not compatiable.

If this sounds like I'm trying to put you of testing, then I'm sorrry, but I need to make the limitations clear to mitigate lots of questions along those lines.

If you do decide to test the new site, please post below so I know you're doing it and post any feedback that you may have (any errors you get for instance)

Many thanks,
J.

Ps: this post was created on the test site, as proof they're running on the same backend databases.

Jon - testing with firefox - all seems OK, except with js debug switched on, am getting the following on virtually every screen:

uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method Location.toString

Working fine here on Fire Fox.

All looking good here, too. Firefox 1.5.0.2 with Sun Java build 1.5.0_06-b05 on Win XP Pro.

Gausie,

Interesting, I'll take a look at that.

Can you, if you have time and the inclination, click on the links at the top of the site and tell me if any don't cause the error?

thanks,
Jonathan.

Click on l2 icon from stockwatch fails with The requested URL //redirectStockWatchL2.jsp was not found on this server.

CSS containing .term, 'font' entry

Someone can't spell pt

also CSS - color for td.fundamentalsDataRowTitles - surely that needs a # prefix

;o)

Jonathon.......I've just logged in to test and its much faster on IE 6, is that because there's less users or will it be faster on release?

Gausie,

'pt' is not a good unit of measure for web based stuff, it was designed for print (where 72pt is exactly 1 inch) and every browser and OS renders the size differently.

'px', however, is great for web, which is the unit we use.

With the DataRowTitle thingy, which page is that on? I cant' find the error in my CSS stuff...

I'm looking at the l2 icon thingy now.

Thanks!
J.

Cloudbase,

It is a very unloaded machine at the moment so it will be faster than normal, however I've found the new system generally faster in test, so I'm hopeful it'll remain faster than the current system.

J.

Have it running under IE and FireFox at the moment,seems stable,but still early days yet :-)

Mega...

Gausie,

the Level2 popup is now working!

thanks for finding that.

J.

Mega Bucks,

That's good.

I'm very interested to see how it handles the random logout problems we've had. I think we've fixed them. *fingers crossed*

jon - a good argument re pt v px. fails on a key point though - px is not permitted CSS syntax for a font size. (Line 479 of moneystyle)

Color - line 642 of moneystyle.css - I think the value was 333399 likely intended as a set of RGB hex pairs.

As a master of all things technical, i agree with what Gausie says above ;-)

Gausie,

px is not permitted CSS syntax for a font size
What complete and utter bollocks! I think you need to refresh your knowledge of CSS, we have a book here that you can borrow, it's called 'My Very First CSS Book' and it's by Tomy.

For 'proof' that px is a valid declaration, I urge you to view the validation of my fundamentals CSS page wherein you will see valid 'px' declations for fonts.

So ner :P

I'll get the other color thing fixed, that is an error. Thanks for pointing it out.

J.

Dailos,

Gausie's not a good bandwagon to follow, he's rarely right on computer stuff ;)

J.

Jon - well said - I will not have Dailos jumping on me.

Thanks for the link. When you get a mo, I'd urge you to take a look at CSS validation failure for the page in question rather than the somewhat irrelevant one you point to above.

It flags up the two errors I described plus a fresh one.

Re the error in line 478 - perhaps its the slash rather than the px that is the problem ? In any event, it's the only line in the production CSS that uses px rather than pt for a font size. And you've made rather a good case to change all the others .....

Do you mind awfully if I close this post without hurling any personal abuse back at you? Or is such abuse obligatory?

;o)

Shame I was enjoying that.

f*ck off, you long haired cripple.

:o)

ps - if you can still make the recording of QI on Monday I have a spare ticket and have cleared it with Sam.

Well I was still waiting for JT to tell me what to do with my cookies.
But I've just stumbled upon 'My Very First Cookie Book'.

Gausie,

There are a few errors in our moneystyle.css file. I was meerly defending the validity of 'px' as a unit size.

It will be the slash that's causing the problem there, I'll have it fixed and a new copy couriered over to you right away :P

We do like to be abused here, so it's disappointing not to have any directed at myself :(

Are there any other problems you're seeing, other than CSS ones? :)

only in attitude

:o)

ps - before you ship me the tomy book, what does it say about slashes? or color codes?

Gausie,

It says that slashes and color codes without hashes can be used as browser hacks to get things displaying correctly on mobile devices.

heh.

I have stockwatch open in FireFox in Test mode,when i click on the RTR news flag,nothing happens,but when you click it in normal mode its OK,is this a problem you are aware of ???

Mega...

Jon,

I logged in on the test server between 9 and 10 this a.m. I've just refreshed the Traders' Room thread list and had to re-logon. Looks like we may still have that problem.

Derek - dropped you an internal email

Oowaa QI will ring G
M

MightyMicro,

If you've _only_ viewed PHP pages, then the login problem persists. When you hit a java page, the session's refreshed.

I'll be looking at a way of making the PHP pages reactivate the java session next week.

J.

MegaBucks,

It looks like you've only got popups enabled for www.moneyam.com and not test.moneyam.com

I've tested the 'N' flag on RTR using FF with the popup blocked completely disabled and it's fine...

J.

Jon,

That would be it then. I did invoke stockwatch, but it was early today.

Cheers

D.

Still get those boxes around stockwatch and the ads

Errrrm...What's going on here? What's happened to my web site?

Iain,

'still'? I can't see where you've complained about it on this thread? Could you post a screenshop please, I think I may be missing something :)

thanks,

J.

Indeedy JT - sounds like you're a few window displays short of a screenshop :)

chocolat,

:P

http://test.moneyam.com/TradersRoom/posts.php?page=234&tid=1
It was on the bugs thread.Others have the same problem
"Not sure if its an unintended bug or a clever enhancement, but.......
When i open Stockwatch and roll my mouse over the watch list, the list gets surrounded by a hatched line. If i then click anywhere on the list it automaticly centres itself on screen. Saves me having to scroll, but I've never seen it before."
Alan

Screenshot sent

Iain,

That sounds like it may be a feature of the JVM or something, it's not something that I've seen anywhere.

Very bizarre. What java virtual machine and version are you running?

J.

Um, that hatched line and centering behaviour, isn't that something to do with a recent upgrade "enhancement" to IE? (Iain, I assume you're using IE . . .)

Yes. IE7

Hello,

If any other users want to try out our new test system, please follow the instructions in the first post and let me know how you get on!

J.

J,seems stable,using it on IE and FireFox on Win2k and Xp.

Mega...

Jon,

Been using it with Opera 8.54 as well the last few days on Win XP and no problems seen (not that I really expected any).

D.

MB/MM

Thanks for that.

I've just forced a logout to everyone on this server, so that one was expected :)

J.

all,

I've just put in code which will stop sessions from expiring if you only view PHP pages on the site.

Please let me know if you still get the logout issues after 4 hours or so.

Many thanks,
Jonathan.

Hello,

We're looking like we'll be going live with the new system this weekend. If more users would like to follow the instructions in the first post and use http://test.moneyam.com as their primary site for the next few days it would aid our load testing.

Thanks,
J.

I'm not 100% thrilled about deleting ALL my cookies to try the new site.

Can you please advise which specific MoneyAM cookies are to be deleted and I will find them and then just delete those.

J,i aint deleted no cookies yet,if aint broke i dont fix it,its working fine on 4 puters :-)

DocProc,

They are the cookies named JSESSIONID for any of the moneyam.com domains (www.moneyam.com, moneyam.com etc etc)

HTH,
J.

Couldn't find it, or anything resembling it. I searched drive c: for any file, including hidden files, for anything containing JSESSIONID. I did find one such file , but it wasn't anything to do with MoneyAM.

I do Spyware scans fairly regularly and usually delete any tracking cookies. Could it be I have already deleted it?

Anyhow, I made your new URL in your opening post my new Home Page and then went to it and logged in afresh. And I'm in and posting on the Trader's Thread.

I now seem to be able to access both the old site and the new test site.

My old and existing bookmarks seem to still work on the old site's URLs quite OK. All the URLs start with 'http://www.......'

The new site takes me to the new URLs via the test site's Home Page and it's button links. All the URLs start with 'http://test........'

DocProc,

If you're using IE then finding specific cookies is almost impossible as it sticks all cookies for one site in a single file with some kind of encoding. For this task, firefox is much better.

When logged into the new site you'll be able to access all PHP pages on the old URLs, but accessing any of the streaming pages should being up the login screen...

If it's working, then great, let me know if you see any problems with it.

J.

Hi,

One thing I have found is that the 'News' buttons do not bring up any news on my stockwatches. I am currently on BT yahoo but I have tried on IE and Netscape and still they don't work.
Di

Dynamite,

Sounds like your popup blocker isn't allowing popups for test.moneyam.com.

You'll need to add that domain to your allowed list to get that working again.

J.

oh ok I'll try that.
thx
Di

all,

I just caused that slowness on the test server, apologies for that, I've knocked up a load testing client and threw hundreds of connections at it :)

Normal service has now resumed.

J.

Hello,

I've just deployed a new configuration of the test site which is optimised for production use.

Please post below if you experience any problems with it (other than having just been logged out!)

Thanks,
J.

TullettJ,

I've not tried the new site yet - lack of courage as I'm experimenting with Level 2! However, one thing that I think would improve the old site is how the 'Portfolios' appear to be treated. Once a portfolio is set up if I change a share by making a transaction all the history, i.e 1 day ago, 1 week ago etc., changes as well. Could this be corrected as it would allow portfolio value to be realistically tracked. The only information that needs to change is that of the day of the transaction.

Kind Regards

Steve

Lostandfound,

I can't make any promises, but I will certainly pass onto the tech guys to see whether this is possible for future enhancement.

Ian

Loadandfound,

Changes to how sections of the site work are beyond the scope of what testing this new architecture is for.

We've had major performance problems over the last few weeks with our current Java Application Server (JAS) so we're testing a different one as we believe it'll fix the situation.

It would suggest making your comment on the bugs and enhancements thread which is where our developers take ideas for future projects.

J.

Fair point Mr Tullett.

But, lostandfound no need for you to post again as I have your comments now.

Cheers

Ian

puters,still running OK,but have notice as i leave all my machines left on over night in the morning i have to log in again,is that the norm,apart from that is running fine !!!

Mega...

Mega,

This would be normal, it is just the logon session expiring after a set time period.

Ian

Actually, IMHO, there does seem to be an absolutely mammoth amount of logging on required with this site.

Of course, my opinion could be wrong on this.

DocProc,

Apart from a few minutes ago on the test server, are you talking about the test server in general, or the main site?

J.

Just generally.

I think you have a log-in changeover time at about lunchtime, don't you. (ONE)

And then you might change something on the site outside the normal 9-5 period won't you? If so, this might well necessitate a new log-in requirement. (TWO)

And then some of my browser's Links are to 'www' will necessitate another log-in (THREE) whereas to access from 'test' might not. That is unless you alter things again and then it easily might (FOUR).

And then,before you know it, there's back to the log-in changeover time of day again. (FIVE?)

Sorta kinda.....well, it feels like, kinda sorta. :-)

DocProc,

If you're navigating between www and test then you'll be made to log in sometimes. On 'test' there's no login change over at all, and any that was present was purely due to cookies expiring.

On the test machine, if we deploy a new site then all logins are expired, which is correct behaviour, but once it's live we will only deploy out of hours.

J.

OK :-)

And, just in case there are any users with login withdrawal symptoms....

Works fine with my Safari browser on the Applemac.
That`s more than I can say of your webcast feature, no luck with the Applemac again.
cheers.

Couldn't login again last evening. All I kept getting was a series of about 9-11 sound clicks and then a revert back to the login page. Gave up trying in the end.

Things seem perfectly OK today, though.

DocProc,

That happens if you access the main site before logging into here, and yes, it's annoying :)

We're going live with this new system tonight, so using test.moneyam.com won't be needed from tomorrow.

J.

Thank F*******