Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hi This is me,

This bloke got what he deserved. He won't do that again.
When I was in a Tactical Unit, we were instructed that, 'Under no circumstances were we to use a 'stinger' device on a 2 wheeled vehicle, due to the probability of causing injury/death to the rider nor should we ram a 2 wheeled vehicle. When I queried this, giving a scenario of.....A person who has committed a shooting, killing several people, gets away on a motorcycle. He rides down the road, continuing his killing spree, (say similar to the Cumbria shooting 12 dead) surely we would be able to use the stinger.
I was told that as Home Office Rules stated, under no circumstances, that means under no circumstances.
After in a unit discussion, I told my team that if the circumstances required it, I would not hesitate in using whatever means I felt were required. If a stinger or/and pulling a car across a 2 wheel vehicles path was Minimum Force, thats what I would use.
Most top bosses who I worked with were wimps who towed the political/correct line, whilst many lower ranking bosses who could not get further in their careers had bottle.
It is the same in the Armed Forces. That is often why those with bottle who get on with the job, very rarely gain a high promotion, leaving the 'Yes' men to reach the dizzy heights of command.
Some of the best 'ground' leaders I have ever worked with were turned down for promotion, because they, Thought for themselves, putting the general publics safety/wellbeing without thinking, Will this effect my promotion prospects.

It seems a pity that some intellectuals retire.

Must be a relief for some others.

So David Chaytor has after fighting and failing to show he had parliamentary privilege, has pleaded guilty to 3 charges of false accounting. He also flipped houses several times to claim thousands of pound of our money, something not illegal, but obviously a gray train for our MP's.
And why should he have been entitled to legal aid, at the level that he was represented.
He has already paid some of his expenses back. His representative has stated that, he will pay the remainder back by Jan 7th, the date of his sentencing. Why is he delaying it till then, surely he should pay it back now. He has the (our) money.
What a chance for some good newspaper headlines.

I will start some off....
How about David the (Cheater) Chaytor, pleads guilty.
Or Flipping (heck) Chaytor pleads guilty.
Or Cheating Chaytor, pleads guilty.

Any other suggestions. Perhaps we can have a vote between us for the best headline.

He was also claiming mortgage payments for a mortgage that had been paid off. Plus he was claiming for rent on his own owned house and his mother's house out of London. A crook by any measure.

Chaylor committed a criminal offence and rightly paying the price.

There are many in all three parties who have committed amoral and dishonourable claims and seemed to have escaped from being charged with criminal offence.

In amongst those are, in my opinion, are Cameron claiming for pruning of a Wisteria and Osborne for Taxi expenses etc..

That is not including other MPS claiming horrendous living expenses in London.

Any others doing similar and working in business or making false claims from a company would have been prosecuted.

Paying back what you have stolen does not seem an adequate punishment for those in "public service".

But corruption carries and seemingly cordoned by some of the ruling elite.

They don't even blush when they are exposed.

PS. What was the total amount that an MP called Jenkins received?

Also, what did those expenses cover?

In case you want to read Wikileaks now www.wikileaks.org has been closed.

The Wikileaks equivalent IP addresses is


http://88.80.13.160

http://213.251.145.96/

&

http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html

Greek - any comment on this? Other than 'the copper should have put more hip and shoulder into his swing'?

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Full context:

Does this readers letter sent to my local paper remind you of anyone.

THE COALITION Mantra is that Labour saddled us with massive debt.

These figures are taken from official HM Treasury figures 1950-2010.

In the 1950s, UK GDP stood at 13.308bn.

Our Public Net Debt was 193.89 per cent of that.

This was in the aftermath of war and crippling debt incurred as a result.

From then through to 1965, the debt reduced progressively to 42.11 per cent in 1980, regardless of political control.

From 1980-1986, it see-sawed around 44-41per cent and in the stagnant period of 1987-1992, it went down to 26.7 per cent.

From 1993 to 1996 it rose back to 41.2 per cent, when we all know there was no investment, no new schools etc.

New Labour came into power during 1997.

The GDP Debt was 41.92 per cent that year, and reduced to 29.33 per cent by 2002.

From 2003-2008, it rose to 36.25 per cent.

And this was the period of massive Labour investment in schools, hospitals, services and infrastructure.

A shining comparison to the cut-all Thatcher period with its higher GDP percentage average debt.

In 2009, precisely because of the actions of the Rights beloved Market, the GDP Debt rose to 44.19 per cent and this year to 52.34 per cent.

The lie is exposed.

Labour DID manage the economy better.

And Labour made Britain a better place.

Now we see the enobled former MP for Arundel shunted off to the unelected Lords because his local party didnt reselect him.

This man tells Cameron that the cuts will make the poor breed.

Truly a Traditional Tory nailing his nasty, natural colour to the mast.

And yet more silence from the Lib Dems locally.

ALD

What a welcome conversion.
Keep it up.

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G,

I will start some off....
How about David the (Cheater) Chaytor, pleads guilty.
Or Flipping (heck) Chaytor pleads guilty.
Or Cheating Chaytor, pleads guilty.
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Haystack P 10197
He was also claiming mortgage payments for a mortgage that had been paid off. Plus he was claiming for rent on his own owned house and his mother's house out of London. A crook by any measure.

I think it is time for G and H. to do some more homework.

Like compare and contrast Chaylors reported actions and reported actions of Jenkin Mp.

Expenses claims

Main article: United Kingdom Parliamentary expenses scandal

Jenkin was reported by the Daily Telegraph to have used 50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was just paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[3]

On 27 October 2009 it was initially recommended that Bernard Jenkin pay back 63,250 by expenses auditor Sir Thomas Legg. This is the highest amount known to have been recommended after an audit of MPs' claims on second homes expenses.[ This amount was reduced to 36,250 following an appeal.

Interesting to see he is still a member of the tory party. I suppose he has appeal to the new incorruptible leadership or perhaps elite .


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"It is interesting to see the PR leader failed to get the cup.

I hope one foot forward and two back can do better as a temporary PM.


He should have asked Aschroft for his help"

Fred, here's one for you

Nationa Debt as a % of GDP fell initially in the Thatcher years until there was a recession when it rose. When Labour came in it was already falling and we had a strong economy handed to them by Ken Clarke. It continued to fall until 2003 when it started to rise quite fast and is now the highest since the early 70s.

The period of recent Labour govenment has seen National debt rise for almost their entire period in power. This has never been the case with any other government. Even the Conservatives had ups and downs with the national debt, particularly when they were going through their own period of world recession in the early 90s. With Labour it has just been higher and higher national debt. Usually it is tax and spend. This time it was tax and spend and borrow and spend.

Aldwickk,

I have heard 'Disgusted' of Croydon, is actually Fred of MoneyAm fame!

There is something else, people have been replying to his long letters for many year's now and getting the same twisted reply's . Now i have noticed that no one bother's to reply to his post's, does that sound like someone we know ?

Ald.

I am surprised you can read the longer words in many posts.

When you are a bigger boy you may be able to understand the contents.

Where are you spending Xmas.

Somebody told me that you have a job as a fairy on top of a Xmas tree.


Happy Xmas.

Hoooh bloody rah!

Ann Widdecombe has been voted off 'Strictly'.

:-)

Russia have announced ScrewFix as their main sponsor for the World Cup

Perhaps, they will have Cameron on "Strictly" instead.

He has knows the foot movements and certainly can do a quick reverse step.

Might even get a few more votes than he got recently for the World Cup.

He could take the "Oik" in a tutu as a partner.

BATTING never used to be this much fun against an Australian team.
In the unlikely event that you managed to stave off Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne would bowl you one that looped the loop and whistled Waltzing Matilda before rattling into your stumps.

If any extra intimidation was required, you could be pretty certain of finding the large koala attached to Merv Hughes' upper lip underneath your helmet visor, from which would emerge the kind of lyrics you can be fairly sure were not supplied by ABC radio's guest commentator at the weekend, Tim Rice.

Now they haven't got anybody capable of bowling two consecutive balls at off-stump, they've used nine specialist spinners -- all of them, to varying degrees, useless -- since Warne's retirement and it was more amusing than intimidating to see Doug "The Rug" Bollinger giving Jonathan Trott a few choice words. Trott offered him an amused smile by way of reply and, possibly, a wry: "Now, now, Dougie, keep your hair on."

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So how is it that Australia has managed to go from ruthless to toothless in such a relatively short time? The answer is that the entire country has gone soft.

There was a time in Australia when men were men and the remedy for running out of provisions in the outback was to grab a saltwater crocodile by the tail and have it skinned and on the barbie before the billy had time to boil.

Nowadays, the Australian government has made them so frightened to do anything risky, they would run a mile if the crocodile in question was formed by a chaperoned outing of schoolgirls.

There is a sign at a golf club in Adelaide, just above the compressed-air machine for cleaning shoes, that reads: "Beware of Serious Injury Or Death." It goes on to list four ways of terminating your existence, including using the machine as a head cleaner or to play practical jokes. It's just as well the sign is there, otherwise you'd never have realised blowing bunker sand out of your hair or sticking the nozzle up the lady captain's skirt was such a dangerous business.

Everywhere you go here, you see warnings that clearly indicate the Australian government's firm belief that its citizens are mentally retarded, hence the sign in the Gabba during the Brisbane Test that read: "Ensure Seat is in Position Before Sitting." Mmm, you thought. Thanks for the warning. I'd never have bothered to check.

The Gabba has a track record. In 2006, it not only banned the Barmy Army's trumpeter but evicted another spectator for having a sneezing fit. This was because of the risk he might spread a contagious disease. He was allowed back only once he'd met the re-entry condition of remaining sneeze-free for half an hour.

The Adelaide Test began at 10.30am local time on Friday and by 10.32, Australia were 2 for 0. Countless people missed it, mainly those who weren't about to risk getting an on-the-spot fine for crossing the road without permission from a little green man.

It's hard to believe this kind of thing hasn't had some effect in making the opposition less nervous when playing the men in the baggy green caps.

Whereas a batsman once saw a mean, aggressive fast bowler steaming in at him, he now sees a bloke with a wig who daren't cross a road without the assistance of a lollipop lady or sit down without first ensuring his seat is in the correct position

Exec - There was a loud cheer in our house when Widdicombe went. Mainly from me :-)