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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haystack - 15 Apr 2011 20:32 - 10886 of 81564

OR

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Ex-Government-Adviser-Andrew-Neather-Says-Mass-Immigration-To-UK-Was-Deliberate/Article/200910415414170">http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Ex-Government-Adviser-Andrew-Neather-Says-Mass-Immigration-To-UK-Was-Deliberate/Article/200910415414170

Labour ministers deliberately encouraged mass immigration to diversify Britain over the past decade, a former Downing Street adviser has claimed.

Andrew Neather said the mass influx of migrant workers seen in recent years was not the result of a mistake or miscalculation but rather a policy the party preferred not to reveal to its core voters.

He said the strategy was intended to fill gaps in the labour market and make the UK more multicultural, at the same time as scoring political points against the Opposition.

Mr Neather worked as a speechwriter for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
"Mass migration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural," he wrote in in the London Evening Standard.

"I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if it wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date."

On the BBC's Question Time programme, Jack Straw faced questions about whether the policy has played a part in the rise in popularity of the BNP.

Haystack - 15 Apr 2011 20:35 - 10887 of 81564

OR

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article6898174.ece

Labours secret scheme to build multicultural Britain

Can the recent success of the British National party be explained by the misguided immigration policy of the government? That was the killer question from the floor during the notorious episode of Question Time 10 days ago. Four times it was put to Jack Straw, the justice secretary, and four times he avoided answering it. Until that evening I had thought Straw was a fairly decent sort of bloke, for a politician. No longer. In a man so central to the new Labour project, who has served in cabinet under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, who has been home secretary and foreign secretary, evasion on such an important subject is shocking.

In his first evasion Straw waffled about Enoch Powells recruitment of immigrants to work for the National Health Service. But that was more than 40 years ago and, as David Dimbleby pointed out, Labour has been in power for the past 12 years and Straw should answer the question. Again he waffled irrelevantly, this time about identity.

Dimbleby challenged him for a third time: Are you saying there is no worry about the scale of immigration in this country? Is that the point youre making? I cant get out what youre saying. Straw responded by saying that new figures show a reduction in the rate of increase in migration and added something about the new points system, all of which was offensively irrelevant.

So, for a fourth time, Dimbleby pressed him to answer the question. Again Straw failed to do so, but concluded by saying: I dont believe it is.

An answer emerged the next day in a London evening newspaper. I then learnt that giving Straw the benefit of this doubt had been naive: the explanation is much more sinister. In an astonishingly insouciant article Andrew Neather a former adviser to Straw, Blair and David Blunkett revealed that Labour ministers had a hidden agenda in allowing immigrants to flood into the country.

According to Neather, who was present at secret meetings during the summer of 2000, the government had a driving political purpose which was: mass immigration was the way that the government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

Whats more, Neather said he came away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended even if this wasnt its main purpose to rub the rights nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.

Ministers longed for an immigration boom but wouldnt talk about it, he wrote. They probably realised the conservatism of their core voters: while ministers might have been passionately in favour of a more diverse society, it wasnt necessarily a debate they wanted to have in working mens clubs in Sheffield or Sunderland.

The revelations get worse. There was a reluctance ... in government, he wrote, to discuss what increased immigration would mean, above all for Labours core white working-class vote. The social outcomes that ministers cared about were those affecting the immigrants. This, Neather explains, shone out in a report published in 2001 after these confidential deliberations.

Chris Carson - 15 Apr 2011 20:41 - 10888 of 81564

Gees - Mutt and Jeff get everywhere, is no board safe from these morons?

Fred1new - 16 Apr 2011 13:13 - 10889 of 81564


Andrew Neather,


Sounds like a tory or BNP plant.


The discussion and emphasis on certain points is what I would expect in a tory pub at the end of the night.

The problem is that while labour has as many bigots and xenophobes the tories have many more.

I think all those of "British" origin living abroad etc. should be expelled by the countries they are living in and any social or emergency services in those countries should be denied them,

The time for little englanders is passing.



ExecLine - 18 Apr 2011 23:55 - 10890 of 81564

The most famous yet-to-be revealed dress in the world is being designed by the bride herself.

More at "The dress, kept under lock and key at Clarence House, is made of ivory satin and lace, with a pearl button detail and 10 foot train and a 'nod' to Lady Diana"

Fred1new - 19 Apr 2011 08:39 - 10891 of 81564

Should take the public eye of Dave, Georgie Boy and Cleggy.

I do like the new "policies" of localisation. Exact opposite of the Thatcherite years.

What it means, is trying implement ill thought out ideas, realising that they don't work and passing the responsibility of the failures to local government and the "greater" society.

Wonder what brilliance they will try to get through on the pop culture wedding?

This_is_me - 21 Apr 2011 08:10 - 10892 of 81564

WHEN I SAY I'M BROKE - I'M BROKE!
A little old lady answered a knock on the door one day,
to be confronted by a well-dressed young man carrying
a vacuum cleaner.

'Good morning,' said the young man. 'If I could take a
couple minutes of your time,
I would like to demonstrate the very latest in
high-powered vacuum cleaners...

"Go away!' said the old lady. ''I'm broke and
haven't got any money!''
and she proceeded to close the door.

Quick as a flash, the young man wedged his foot in the
door and pushed it wide open...
''Don't be too hasty!'' he said. ''Not until you have
at least seen my demonstration..''

And with that, he emptied a bucket of horse manure
onto her hallway carpet.

''Now, if this vacuum cleaner does not remove all
traces of this horse manure from your carpet, Madam,
I will personally eat the remainder.''

The old lady stepped back and said, ''Well let me get you a fork,
'cause they cut off my electricity this morning."








Stan - 21 Apr 2011 08:45 - 10893 of 81564

FOOTBALL: Aston Villa boss Gerard Houllier in hospital after being taken ill on Wednesday night.

beebusy - 21 Apr 2011 09:21 - 10894 of 81564

Intresting view on the sorry plight of desire pet who find themselves in the deep Doo Doo. Having spent the pot on worthless drilling they now have no funds left to drill more worthless holes. It would appear that the only people to make any money out this exciting new venture??? was the Falkland Island company. Maybe there is a kind of natural justice there??

greekman - 21 Apr 2011 09:57 - 10895 of 81564

Just a few ideas that the coalition might wish to consider.

1 The old people and crime problem.

OAP's who need long term care.

Put them in jail, then they would have access to showers, hobbies and walks. They'd also receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel
chairs etc. They'd have constant video monitoring so if assistance was needed
they'd have immediate help. Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all
clothing would be washed and ironed as needed. There would be a guard to
check on them every 20 minutes and staff to bring their meals and snacks to
their cell.

They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.

They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counseling,
pool and education.

Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on
request.

There would be private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor
yard, with gardens for anyone who felt the need to exercise.

Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls and there
would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and all guards would have a
code of conduct that would have to be strictly adhered to.

Criminals.

Put them in Care homes.
The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised day
and night (the unsupervised bit is bit like open prisons anyway). Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week; live in a tiny room and pay 600.00 per week or more without any hope of ever getting out.

2 Illegal immigration problem.



COWS (yes there is a point here, so please read on)

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that, during the mad
cow epidemic, our government could track a single cow, born almost three
years ago in Appleby, right to the stall where she slept in the county of
Cumbria? And, they even tracked her calves to their individual stalls. But
they are unable to locate 125,000 illegal immigrants wandering around our
country. Maybe we should give each illegal immigrant a cow.

And another thing.
Relgious freedom.

The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a
courthouse or Parliament, is this -

You cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal', 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery'
and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges and
politicians..... It creates a hostile work environment.

Also;

Think about this ... If you don't want to forward this for fear of
offending someone -- YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! It is time for us grumpy old
folk of Britain to speak up!

_____

mnamreh - 21 Apr 2011 10:28 - 10896 of 81564

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beebusy - 21 Apr 2011 11:40 - 10897 of 81564

If you give each illegal immigrant a cow, they would either,eat it,sell it, or send it home. Which ever way they choose to loose the cow, we the tax payers would be coughing up 125000 cows.Nope better to make them legal so that eventually they end up in one of our care homes!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

mnamreh - 21 Apr 2011 11:46 - 10898 of 81564

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greekman - 21 Apr 2011 12:42 - 10899 of 81564

Damn Beebusy,

I knew there would be someone finding a flaw in my 'I have a cunning Baldrick plan'.

I will though give your alternative suggestion (Nope better to make them legal so that eventually they end up in one of our care homes) some thought.

Perhaps we could set up a coalition.
Mind you, I refuse to play the part of Nick Clegg!

Note.....From the English Dictionary.

Clegg

noun

A large swift fly the female of which sucks the blood of various animals [syn: horsefly]

I wonder what the male of the species does.

beebusy - 21 Apr 2011 15:45 - 10901 of 81564

Its been reported that the good old USA has destroyed their middle classes with taxation and easy credit.All the keeping up by using plastic brought the downfall of an entire social strata. So now they are left with the rich and the poor. The rich will get richer and of course the poor will without doubt get poorer. As the gulf between the two widens there will no doubt be social unrest. The america system being what it is lives will be lost and before you can say "make my day punk" the whole durn shebang will collapse. It happened to the Roman Empire. The French Revolution came about by the rich eating all the cake!!! We brits have had our day but just dont know it. A sad situation brought about by fighting two world wars and a need for peace and to be left alone to tend our allotments. Unfortunately,our leaders did not see it that way and sallied forth to put down any sign of rebellion at the drop of a hat. Its an unpalatable truth that along the way we have made quite a few enemies. Its also true that we also brought about a lot of change for the better.And again true that we continue to give aid which we cannot afford.The fundamental fact that unless we pull together as a world population we are doomed seems lost by the majority of earths inhabitants. Still at my tender age I can afford to sit back and watch the proceedings with intrest unless of course I am condemed to one of those afore mentioned nursing homes with no telly??????????? Salut mon amies.

ExecLine - 21 Apr 2011 19:54 - 10902 of 81564

Hmmm? I think what we need is a Royal Wedding...............

Yeah! Let's hear it for a Royal Wedding!

greekman - 22 Apr 2011 18:49 - 10903 of 81564

Not an anti royalist, but that was far more entertaining than the real McCoy will be.

beebusy - 23 Apr 2011 11:23 - 10904 of 81564

Excellent. I really hope that the royal family tune into that one.

Fred1new - 27 Apr 2011 16:49 - 10905 of 81564

Good to see the GDP is as George expected.

Lower than 9 and 6 months ago.

Value of pound down.

Mind he has noticed that there is world wide problem to blame.

Pity that Thatcher strangled and then destroyed the heavy industry.

George is doing well in comparison.



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