Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Sooner this Giggs saga is over the better!

Is there anyone else out there who is not bothered how he behaves off the pitch as long as it is not criminal or seriously morally wrong.
He had an affair! So what!
It is thought that over half of all married couples have affairs, during their marriage.

His big mistake was the injunction. Surely those close to him knew about the affair, so if he had allowed the media to publish without this circus, he could have made the usual statement along the lines of 'this is a private matter and I will not discus this further'. Within a few days, the furore would have died down leaving nothing for the press to publish and nothing for people to talk about.
Personally, I find the subject very boring.

Note........Not having a go at anyone on here, as I am now one of those joining in on the discussion, although my post is more of a statement, as I have no desire to discus said subject.

Having sexual intercourse outside marriage is seriously morally wrong. Unfortunately his behaviour is not much different from a large number of those writing about it or many members of the public at large.

This is me,

I agree that unfortunately the attitude toward such behavior is not what it used to be.
Most people who are famous, wealthy or both, have far more temptations put in their way than us ordinary folk.
I am not trying to excuse their behavior, but I must admit to seeing many pictures of beautiful women (it's never the ugly ones) who have been named in extra marital affairs, and being honest enough to admit to myself, that in the past I would have found it 'very difficult' to say no should the opportunity be presented to me on a plate (yes strange place to have sex).
I remember a few years ago when an absolutely 100% gorgeous 20 year old female teacher was found guilty of having sex with a 15 year old schoolboy. I remember thinking, lucky devil, it never happened to me.

I appreciate that if it had been a male teacher and a female pupil I would have thought differently, and that makes me a hypocrite. Something I think most men are when regarding sex.

I am very happily married, but as a hot blooded male, I am being perfectly honest.

Greek

You say, 'His big mistake was the injunction'

I do think all of revelations that have now come out have marred Gigg's career.

The good stuff:

Giggs as a professional footballer, has been at the top of his game longer than anyone. An incredible 20 seasons in which he has won 12 titles, four FA Cups, three League Cups and two Champions League trophies.
At the same time, he has broken every appearance record at Old Trafford - 613 in the league and 875 overall.
He is also the only player to have scored in every Premier League season.
And he has never been sent off in a United shirt.

The bad stuff:

All the revelations about his affair within Imogen Thomas convey a very negative picture about Giggs as a husband and a father. And there are also other women now being mentioned once again, where all of the information on that with them had gone quiet.

What I am actually trying to say is this:

It is Manchester United's lawyers that have messed up by giving Giggs what has turned out to be very bad advice. Their client, Giggs, accepted the advice, instructed them to 'go ahead then and take out the super injunction'.

He is a footballer, not a lawyer. He listens to the advice of the lawyers, makes a footballer's decision and then does what they advise. Wrong!! He wasn't qualified to know what was best to do - take the advice or leave it.

These lawyers are most probably not Gigg's lawyers. They highly likely to be Manchester United Football Club's lawyers.

If Giggs can be said to have got it wrong - then so can the club be said to have got it wrong too.

Hence why Sir Alex Ferguson is so angry with the situation. He has to be both angry and frustrated by Giggs but surely more angry with the advice given to Giggs by the MUFC's lawyers.

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I do think you have to be admiring of Ferguson in all of this. He can and does keep the team together as such a very powerful unit and no matter what is thrown at it!

But stand by for the club firing their team of legal advisers for sure!

When I said it was Giggs mistake, I do agree it was down to advice given, but the fact is he made the final decision.
It would probably have been better to say the advice given was wrong, as i am sure he was under great pressure from others.
As to his football career. I don't think it will be blighted in the long term, as this will fizzle out quickly.
I have aways admired, Giggsy as a great ambassador for United and football in general. These revaluations make no difference to how I will view him, and I am sure that goes for most football fans.
I appreciate it has not been good for his marriage and fatherhood, but I look at things like that philosophically.
My old career is still known for having more marriage breakdowns than any other, most being down to extra marital relationships.
Most such relationships are of no interest whatsoever to others.
What Giggs and other famous people do regarding sex outside marriage is also of no interest to me.

As to Ferguson. Great manager that he is, I just can't stand the man.

anybody have Imogens phone number??

No.. but someone here might know: +44 (0) 161 868 8000 hospitality@manutd.co.uk

Beebusy,

If your interested, there is an Imogen who has her number on a card in our local phone box.

Going on the basis that anything that gets you into, and keeps you in the news in her line is a good thing , I would say Giggs did her a favour.

Well he certainly, 'Did her'.

After checking up on it, I found out that Alonso seems to be leading the way in practice at Monaco.

I found this picture of some seating. Nice view or wot?



By the way, I mean 'from the stands'.

(Should one be so fortunate as to own one, a bit of patience is obviously required in removing one's boat from it's mooring after the event, eh?)

To be serious for a moment has anybody tried a Dyson hand dryer ? I used one for the first time in the Gent's at the Churchill square shopping mall, Brighton, its like a upside down toaster that you put your two hands in, its much better then any other i have tried, it must be about 5 five times quicker.

Senior health care solution -

So you're a sick senior citizen and the government says there is no nursing home available for you and if there was they would take all your money and your house to pay for it - what do you do?

Our plan gives anyone 65 years or older a gun and 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot 2 MP's and 2 illegal immigrants!

Of course, this means you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head, central heating, air conditioning and all the health care you need! New teeth - no problem. Need glasses, great. New hip, knees, kidney, lungs, heart? All covered. (And your kids can come and visit you as often as they do now). You will not have to pay a penny and so can leave everything to your children or whoever you like ( or spend it all in advance)

And who will be paying for all of this? The same government that just told you that they cannot afford for you to go into a home.





IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY OR WHAT?

This_is_me: OK, I'm already over 65 and own a gun and plenty of ammunition. Do you want to suggest which MPs? (I expect I can find the illegal immigrants without too much difficulty, even if the Government can't.) ;-)

Execline,

I once had a boat in Monaco Harbor and I never found any problem with overcrowding.
All I had to do was let the air out, fold it up then carry it to an open space, blow it up again and that was that.

This-is-me,

Don't forget that life in prison is not quite that good due to the overcrowding.
Now if we shot 'all' the illegal immigrants, not forgetting those MPs now in prison we could all at least have a cell each as the prison population would drop by at least 50%.

Of course if you are a sick over 65 year old illegal immigrant, you have the best of both worlds. All that free care you mentioned, and if you shot, stabbed or just kicked someone to death you would on release be kept in the manner of free housing, and child benefit payments for your dozen or so kids and of course your own at least one personal security person watching you day and night, making sure no one attacked you or your property. Of course to receive all that, on release you would have to claim political asylum quoting the Human rights Act.

What an upside down world we live in.

I dont plan to retire as the pension I have worked all my life to accrue is worth damn all as some robbing Ba--ard has spent it for me and the goverment will take the rest in tax to keep the ILL IMS to a standard to which they are unaccustomed!!! Bitter me?? Naww!!!

You can fool some of the people most of the time etc ,ect ,

Labour has opened up a seven-point lead as support for the Conservatives has fallen dramatically over the past month, according to a poll.

The number of voters intending to back Labour has risen by two points to 42% while those planning to support the Tories has fallen five points to 35%, the Reuters/Ipsos Mori survey found.

The Tories' Liberal Democrat coalition partners saw their support creep up a single point to 10% - still significantly down on their pre-government ratings.

beebusy

Not the wife[ex] by any chance ?

nope, so called pension fund managers??? Our goverment abolished the retirement age as they are well aware that the number of impoverished pension holders claiming state aid would be unsustainable so the answer?? Keep them working. While they still work tax them hard, when they become ill and unable to work tax them harder, when they die, really roger them. They people who enable us to stay in power and protect us from the nasty wannabe pensioners, let them retire at 50 with a nice insulated pension.This is our goverments, not just the cons all of them.If we decided to go communist we would have even fatter cats shooting us if we get out of line. Its a case of picking the best of a grim bunch I am afraid.Abolish credit cards, make people save for what they want,reduce income tax, reduce vat to 10%,cleanse the civil service and other goverment sponsered companies including banks of fat cats. let the nurses and doctors run the hospitals,treble the car tax on any private vehicle over 1400cc, introduce a special low tax diesel rate for haulage. introduce a low tax for companies based on their number of employees and output,reintroduce apprenticeships, introduce a lower tax for the wealthy who invest in this country.Yep I could go on and on and I reckon there are a few that would disagree, but thats my slant on it for what its worth Salut!

Well I really do think that seating up above at the Monaco F1 Grand Prix, was totally excellent. Probably only to be bettered by the view from the palace balcony.

However, if you can get a seat just across from the pits and Start/Finish line, then you can see everything coming and going.

On the question of 'points lead', Vettel is now 41 points ahead of Lewis Hamilton. Will Lewis ever catch him, I wonder? Probably not!