Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

That sounds bad SC.

Hello , Fred Scuttle speaking is that Labour HQ ? right then , I demand that Gordon Brown be bought back to sort out this mess that the Tory Eton educated toff's have got us into , WHY you ask ? because he was only Chancellor for 13 year's you never gave the man a chance. CLICK [ sound of laughter as the phone is slammed down ]

Are you sure Fred is not Gordon Brown or even Tony Blair .

If it was either my money would be on him being Gordon.

Gordon Is A Moron

What am I thinkig, he's Edd Balls he talks a load of parc

May be some good news -

.Stocks rally on Chinese and U.S. data as euro gain


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NEW YORK (Xetra: A0DKRK - news) (Reuters) - Chinese data showing the world's second biggest economy might be able to avoid a hard landing and U.S. retail sales data that was not as weak as feared lifted stocks, oil and other growth-oriented markets on Tuesday.

In the currency market, emboldened investors drove up the euro despite lingering jitters over Greece's debt problems after it became S&P's lowest-rated sovereign borrower. The renewed appetite for risk, however, routed low-risk government bonds.

China's inflation accelerated to its fastest level in almost three years, and its industrial output grew a solid 13 percent from a year ago. Its (Paris: FR0010370163 - news) central bank, in an effort to curb inflation, later increased the reserve requirement ratio for commercial lenders by 50 basis points.

The data showed inflation at multi-year highs, but did not worsen fears that it is running out of the control. This raised hopes that Chinese policy-makers could gradually tighten policy to cool local wage growth and its red-hot property market without subtracting too much from overall growth, a so-called soft landing.

"People are waiting to see whether there will be a soft landing or a hard landing in China. Based on the data overnight, the odds are favouring a soft landing. It's making people more optimistic," said Brian Jacobsen, chief portfolio strategist at Wells Fargo Funds Management in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin, which oversees $400 billion (244 billion pounds) in assets.

In the United States, retail sales in May fell for the first time 11 months, but the drop was less than expected, signalling the resilience of American consumers (Other OTC: ANCS.PK - news) despite sluggish job growth and a lousy housing market.

"We were seeing an over-reaction in the last few days to a slowdown in the economy. At some point, we will get a better tone in consumer spending and overall growth rate," said Frank Germack, director of the investment department at Rehmann Financial in Troy, Michigan.

The U.S. stock market jumped, with the Dow Jones (DJI: ^DJI - news) industrial average up 163.97 points, or 1.37 percent, at 12,116.94. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index was up 19.70 points, or 1.55 percent, at 1,291.53. The Nasdaq Composite Index was up 44.86 points, or 1.70 percent, at 2,684.55.

The S&P 500 is on track for its biggest one-day percentage rise since March, shaving its month-to-date loss to 4 percent.

Top European stocks rose 0.8 percent, while Tokyo's Nikkei (Osaka: ^N225 - news) ended 1.0 percent higher.

Some analysts cautioned the gains in stocks and risky markets could be short-lived as sovereign debt problems in Europe (Chicago Options: ^REURTRUSD - news) and the United States fester and the Federal Reserve's $600 billion bond program expires at the end of June.

"A one-day rally is not going to change the situation," said Robbert Van Batenburg, head of global research at Louis Capital Markets in New York.

GREECE SELLS DEBT

Also reducing investor anxiety was Greece's ability to raise short-term funds after Standard & Poor's downgraded its rating closer to default territory.

Greece sold 1.625 billion euros (1.44 billion pounds) of 6-month T-bills at a yield of 4.96 percent. This was higher than May's 4.88 percent but attracted a larger percentage of foreign buyers than the previous auction, reflecting market expectations Greece will secure a second rescue package worth about 120 billion euros to stave off default.

On the other hand, the cost of insuring Greek debt against default over five years rose to record peak of 1,615 basis points, as did the yield on Greek government bonds.

Greece's trials did little to discourage investors from buying the euro.

The euro rebounded a day after it hit a record low against the Swiss franc. The Swiss currency, which falls when investors turn away from safe havens, declined more than 0.9 percent versus the euro and the U.S. dollar.

The euro rose to $1.4480 against the greenback, up 0.5 percent on the day.

Investors also channeled money into commodities at the expense of government bonds.

ICE Brent July crude rose 88 cents to $119.98 a barrel, touching its highest level in more than five weeks. U.S. oil futures were up 1.6 percent at $98.88.

Spot gold climbed to $1,523.29 an ounce from $1,514.73 on Monday when it suffered its biggest one-day loss in a month, touching a three-week low of $1,511.11.

A sell-off in the U.S. government bond markets pushed benchmark yields to their highest level in almost two weeks at 3.08 percent. German Bund futures fell 54 basis points at 125.40 after posting a contract high of 126.11 on Monday.

(Reporting by Caroline Valetkevitch and Nick Olivari in New York and Simon Falush, Amanda Cooper in

Sounds very bullish for tomorrow

Take back my earlier words sorry,

OECD predictions for global economic growth


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The OECD has outlined a grim outlook for the euro area as a whole, while it says the UK is on track for a 'slow pace of expansion'. Here is a detailed breakdown of how it thinks the world's biggest economies will shape up in the near future.

Year on year growth rate (%) OECD growth cycle outlook OECD area 1.2 Stable pace of expansion Euro area 0 Mild loss of growth momentum Major Five Asia* -0.6 Loss of growth momentum Canada 1.7 Mild loss of growth momentum France -1.3 Slowdown Japan (NYSE: MCO - news) n/a** n/a Germany 1.3 Stable pace of expansion Italy -2 Slowdown United Kingdom -1.8 Stable, slow pace of expansion United States 2.8 Expansion Brazil -3.3 Slowdown China -1.6 Loss of growth momentum India -2.9 Slowdown Russia (EUREX: OMXR.EX - news) 5.2 Possible loss of growth momentum *China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Korea.

**Data for Japan was excluded from the OECD's latest analysis because of exceptional circumstances following the earthquake and subsequent nuclear disaster.

Its concerning me, where does Fred keep disappearing to, does he exist?

Isaxxs,

Two of my daughters each have hons degree MSc and PHD. Another has 2 Hons degrees and a MSc. Two of the daughters also have other language qualifications the fourth daughter has Hons degree and runs a profitable medium size business. I won't mention my wife's qualification.


By them I am the idiot of the family, but due to luck have been able to have supported them in their varioud endevours, but also very aware of the necessary work in achieving their results and also their continue research.

To me, Cameron (and Blair) for me are deceptive both lightweight con men. I can remember Spivs in Oxford Street in the 50s with more abilities.

But fascinated listening to Cameron and Lansley today retreating from their previous posturing on the NHS,

Many would say they are lying through their teeth,

But I wasn't conned into voting for them.

I wonder when Cameron will put the knife in Lansley back?

But I can see it is kill the mesenger time again,

I think what concerns me most is the number of useful contributors to MoneyAM that have told me that they, and others that they know, have ceased to visit and contribute to this forum because of Fred1new. A number refer to the site as FredAM.

Despite a number of attempts to make Fred moderate his approach - including a conciliatory private email from me which he chose to make public, to the surprise of many - he has continued his campaign of general and occasionally personal abuse.

He won't read this, because he has filtered me - he says.

My own view is that Fred should be banned from the forums as he contributes nothing but meaningless dissent and has driven away people like hilary (and many others) who contributed something useful.

My 2 cents.

@MM i have to agree with you 100% its a total shame and yes many that i have spoken with have said exactly the same thing,i think the governing bodies have been highlighted to this fact but not alot else we can do.

Its a shame as when it was MAM instead of the new FredAM it was a happy thriving community,anyway i will go back to being a recluse again as i dont post as much these days.

Just my 2 cents as well

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Fred - what have your family's qualifications got to do with comments about Cameron at Oxford? He didn't bribe anyone or use a crammer to get his PPE first. Claiming he did shows huge ignorance of the Oxford system.

PS Did you see MM's post above? Copied below in case you haven't. See the trouble you have caused on FredAM.

MightyMicro - 15 Jun 2011 02:08 - 11106 of 11108
I think what concerns me most is the number of useful contributors to MoneyAM that have told me that they, and others that they know, have ceased to visit and contribute to this forum because of Fred1new. A number refer to the site as FredAM.

Despite a number of attempts to make Fred moderate his approach - including a conciliatory private email from me which he chose to make public, to the surprise of many - he has continued his campaign of general and occasionally personal abuse.

He won't read this, because he has filtered me - he says.

My own view is that Fred should be banned from the forums as he contributes nothing but meaningless dissent and has driven away people like hilary (and many others) who contributed something useful.

My 2 cents.

Hello , Fred Scuttle speaking is that Labour HQ ? right then , I demand that Gordon Brown be bought back to sort out this mess that the Tory Eton educated toff's have got us into , WHY you ask ? because he was only Chancellor for 13 year's you never gave the man a chance. CLICK [ sound of laughter as the phone is slammed down ]

Was the squelch button at the top of the thread specifically designed for Fred?

Is Fred the most squelched poster in history?

Join me in the record attempt; squelch him now - you know it makes sense! Give Fred this one attempt at fame!

DC,

Very interesting post. Summates much of what is attempted on this thread and probably many other boards.

Many don't like having their opinions challenged.

Many of these will advocate "freedom of expression or speech" except if the views differ from their own.

It seems that many may feel so insecure in their positioning that they can't tolerate being challenged, but at the same time concentrate denigrate the opposing protagonists.

(Herd behaviour pattern.)

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Isaccs,

Bribery, Cameron?

I was simply trying to clarify the point you seemed to be making.

But, I do consider it less than attractive to have a PM, who appeared to me to make "false expense claims" in the recent past, in charge of the country's economy.

As far as qualifications are concerned, I was pointing out that I have some working knowledge of the University system.

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As far a MM posting, which you so kindly posted for me to see,

I dislike people who send me what I consider, patronising, or threatening E-mails.

I believe they were provoked by my initiation of the Thread on "Israeli Gaza conflict".

Where the response from a few was an attempt to suffocate any discussion by personal abuse of me.

I wondered why.

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That out of the way.

If you look back at some of the threads prior to the last general election and the personal abuse being hurled around at politicians of all parties as humour, then perhaps some of my remarks could be considered in the same vein.

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Have a nice day!

PS.

Isaccs,

You can start always start off you own personally enlightening thread.

I will try and keep away.

Fred????? Who? Never heard of him. Legend in his own phone box!