Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hi George,

Agree with your view, although I would take it a bit further.
If a person is stabbed a couple of times and it could be shown that the blows were a result of ,fear or and panic on the part of the initially attacked, I would allow that as self defense.

Hi Chris,

Ah, 'The Way and Means act' the best act ever!

Regards Greek.

Hmmm? I want the government to be 'tough on crime' and I'm not at all happy with the following article. Indeed, for once, I might just decide to try and do something about it by writing a letter to my MP.

From Tory rebellion over sentencing reform that is still too soft
By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
7:00AM BST 27 Jun 2011

Conservative MPs are threatening a rebellion on plans for sentencing, despite government promises of a tough approach on law and order.

Details of legislation drawn up for Kenneth Clarke, the Justice Secretary, on sentencing show that, in some cases, more criminals will be able to avoid jail, and the prison population will fall.

The Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill will come to the Commons on Wednesday, where Tory Right-wingers are threatening to challenge some of its measures.

The Bill proposes that more criminals should be given suspended sentences instead of being sent to jail.

Under current rules, a judge can only suspend a prison sentence of up to 12 months. The Bill will increase that limit to two years. Guidance to judges will also discourage them from remanding alleged offenders in jail while they await trail.

There will be rules allowing time that an offender spends electronically tagged at home on bail to count as part of a sentence. Two days on tagged bail will count as one day of a prison sentence.

A Tory revolt over the Bill would be embarrassing for David Cameron, the Prime Minister, who last week forced Mr Clarke to abandon many of his plans to reduce prison sentences and shrink the jail population. Mr Clarkes original package would have reduced the prison population by 6,400. The Ministry of Justice still calculates that prison numbers will fall by 2,650 because of its measures.

Philip Davies, a Tory MP, said: Ken Clarke is championing it as a 'tough on crime bill when the detail shows it is not. It has nothing to do with punishment and the prevention of reoffending and everything to do with reducing the prison population.

Mr Clarkes original plans would have saved tens of millions of pounds from his budget. After being forced to amend them, Mr Clarke is now seeking to find that money elsewhere, with cuts in the probation service not ruled out.

Sadiq Khan, the shadow justice secretary, said: If you reduce the number of probation officers and prison officers, experienced staff, then your ability to rehabilitate is diminished rather than enhanced and your obsession with cutting costs rather than cutting crime can lead to consequences, not just today but down the road.

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: Each year thousands of people are remanded to custody but do not go on to receive a prison sentence. We will end this and only use remand places where it is necessary to protect the public from those whose offending and alleged offending is serious enough to deserve custody.

Criminals will be named and identified on official crime maps showing offences in neighbourhoods, a minister has said. Existing maps, which show only the crimes committed, not the perpetrators, will be changed, according to Nick Herbert, the policing minister.

Hi ExecLine,

I think it would be wrong to name the perpetrators, after all we must respect both their civil liberties and their right to privacy, after all most people who commit crime are misunderstood and should receive far more counseling than they do at present.
Now if only they would employ me as a counselor, I would put them on the straight and narrow! Now where did I put me thumb screws!

As to 'Tougher on Crime'
Perhaps a large percentage of our politicians don't want tougher sentences as that might be a bit like 'Turkeys voting for Christmas'!
Bloody fiddling crooks most of them.

"Criminals will be named and identified on official crime maps showing offences in neighbourhoods, a minister has said. Existing maps, which show only the crimes committed, not the perpetrators, will be changed, according to Nick Herbert, the policing minister. "


If that occurs, I hope that will include a list of those who have criminal driving offences, criminal fraud and the civil action of voluntary bankcruptcy.

Perhaps, a list of fraudulent MPS who return their false expense claims might also be interesting.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/uk-markets-sterling-idUKTRE75R14120110628?feedType=nl&feedName=ukdailyinvestor

Pound hits 13-month low vs currency basket


House prices fall 0.4 percent in May - Land Registry

Flogging a house to pay for ones' Medical care or future NHS charges is still possible,

It is good to to know our government of Localism has every thing under a strong hand.

Safe hands,


Also pleased to see they are now trying to ruin any remainders of the University System,

Elitism at it worst.

But I forget Cameron is a genuine man and at the helm.

The Government cannot deport "undesirable" or "dangerous" immigrants who may face ill-treatment at home - however bad their crimes in the UK, human rights judges have ruled.

In a test case ahead of more than 200 similar actions pending against the UK, the Strasbourg judges decreed that the UK's duty to protect people against torture or inhuman treatment is "absolute".

The case involved two Somalis facing enforced return to Mogadishu after receiving convictions in the UK for serious criminal offences. The European Court of Human Rights awarded Abdisamad Adow Sufi and Abdiaziz Ibrahim Elmi, both currently in UK immigration detention centres, 14,500 euro (13,000) and 7,500 euro (6,700) respectively for costs and expenses in bringing the case.

Can the government deport Fred?

To where dreamcatcher, who would want him? Gaddaffi has more options available.

Just reading aldickks note, hes not undesirable or dangerous. Perhaps just tie up his
typing/keyboard hand for a start. I am thinking of where. Any suggestions please.
No being rude.

Dreamer,

Dream on.

You need me to keep you up with the latest, or last policies of the coalition.

They must get something right before they are voted out.


I sorry I have to post reminders of the failures of the PR government and Cameron. The latter, before the last election being heralded by so many on this BB as the NEW Messiah.

I know he could walk on water, but I wish he would have a successful policy, everybody. could cheer.

What is his latest buzz word.

LOCALISM. OH, Somebody's god.

They must be embarrassed by his economic successes.

I wonder how many are in mortgage debt or negative equity?

Parcel Fred up, Fedex leave stansted in half hour. Plenty of tape and a big box on a pallet. They might not even have the experience to handle this dead weight.

Just off the phone to David Cameron. He thinks my suggestion is great.
As we all know we have received a visit from China this week. They have gifted one of our zoos a panda bear. I suggested we gift Fred to China. They are just checking they have a strong enough cage and free of pc's. A meeting is being called in parliament in the morning.

Dreamer.,


Don't be worried, the Chinese get on well with me.

Just read that that China is probably going to use QE to aid their "home market". (Devaluation of own currency.)

Should be a great help the Uk exports, with the devalued

By the way what was the GDP growth rate again?

The tories really know how to run an economy for themselves..

(1=1$)? not really a? When may be more appropriate.

Now who signed us up to the ECHR?
Who stole 5B+ from our pension funds each year?
Who sold our gold near its low point?
Who made the benefit system (in places) so attractive to so many spongers that it almost guaranteed a labour vote?
2517

Who started WW1?

When are the tories going to stop blaming their parents for their own mistakes.

They resemble more and more grumbling scruffy adolescents.,

Also who spent (wasted) as much money as possible in the run up to the election, purely knowing that when they lost that election, it would leave the country in an even sorrier state.
Criminal actions from Brown and his minions.

Note.........The above is a statement, not a question to F*** as it is pointless asking him questions for 2 reasons.

1 I already know his answer.
2 As he is squelched, I can't see and have no wish to see those answers anyway.

Obviously I have started to post again, completely ignoring anything relating to 'you know who', as it is a shame to miss out on those sensible posts from the many who post on here.
You know, I have started to enjoy knowing he is talking to himself!

After all I can obtain a higher level of intelligent discussion if I talk to my 2 year old grandchild.

Greek,

It is obvious that you aren't ignoring Fred!

8-)

Found this if it is of help to anyone:

..Clarke: Homeowners 'Can Stab Burglars'

Sky News 4 hours ago
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....The Justice Secretary has said householders will be able to stab burglars without fear of prosecution under new legislation guaranteeing their right to defend themselves.

Ken Clarke was speaking ahead of the Justice Bill being debated in the Commons today.

He said an act of Parliament will be used to "clarify" the existing legal right to use "reasonable force" against intruders.

Mr Clarke said: "We will make it quite clear you can hit a burglar with a poker if he's in your house and you have a perfect defence when you do so.

"If an old lady finds she's got an 18-year-old burgling her house and she picks up a kitchen knife and sticks it in him, she has not committed a criminal offence, and we will make that clear."


Prime Minister David Cameron has promised that the new Justice Bill would "put beyond doubt that homeowners and small shopkeepers who use reasonable force to defend themselves or their properties will not be prosecuted".

Mr Clarke accepted that the defence of reasonable force already exists, but said: "Given that doubts are expressed, we are going to clarify that.

"It is quite obvious that people are entitled to use whatever force is necessary to protect themselves and their homes.

"What they are not entitled to do is go running down the road chasing them or shooting them in the back when they are running away or to get their friends together and go and beat them up.

"We all know what we mean when we say a person has an absolute right to defend themselves and their home and reasonable force.

"Nobody should prosecute and nobody should ever convict anybody who takes these steps."

Mr Cameron's official spokesman said: "The objective is to put beyond doubt the fact that home-owners and small shopkeepers who use reasonable force to protect themselves or their property should be able to do that without being prosecuted."
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Stab them before they have you I say.Bast---s