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Borders & Southern - Here we go (BOR) (BOR)     

Proselenes - 15 Jun 2011 08:54

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Proselenes - 01 Mar 2012 13:28 - 115 of 1086

What figures does anyone have for risked and unrisked values for Darwin ?

Not that risked figures mean anything now with the drill bit in action.


Mine are :

Darwin : RISKED = 162 pence per share

Darwin : UNRISKED = 1103 pence (11 pounds) per share

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cynic - 01 Mar 2012 13:48 - 116 of 1086

whatever MrP may think, the market clearly has severe reservations - which of course is not to say that he is wrong

Proselenes - 01 Mar 2012 13:58 - 117 of 1086

I am actually surprised at the lack of research people have not been doing.

There are very very good DHI's at Darwin, including an extended flat spot, gas chimneys and strong avo response. They also have 3D which means they can target the fat portion of the potential sands to ensure maximum pay, if there is any pay.

I will be surprised if Darwin has no oil or gas.

cynic - 01 Mar 2012 14:03 - 118 of 1086

no doubt there are many experts and analysts who have indeed thorough homework but clearly reach different conclusions from you

Shortie - 01 Mar 2012 14:25 - 119 of 1086

And some just read the threads but don't bother posting their thoughts and research. I'm long on both BOR and FOGL for the record and have been for some time. Both futures in the money with trailing stop losses.

required field - 01 Mar 2012 14:36 - 120 of 1086

Highly risky as in the event of a hydrocarbon no show : you will be stopped out way down.....I'm in the shares so can wait for the next spud.....but spreads...ouch !....

Shortie - 01 Mar 2012 14:58 - 121 of 1086

You pay your money and take the risk, trading equities or spreads without a stop is risky.

required field - 01 Mar 2012 15:01 - 122 of 1086

Huge difference.....in this case....shares you can stay put for ages....not with spreads...

Shortie - 01 Mar 2012 15:11 - 123 of 1086

Thats rubbish, you can quite easily roll a future over from month to month, as long as you have funds to cover any loss plus your margin..

required field - 01 Mar 2012 15:24 - 124 of 1086

You are on the daily rollover or more longterm....believe me and I pray that you are right on this because I have the shares but with a spread of any kind you are taking a big, big, risk....so am I but not quite so big....

Shortie - 01 Mar 2012 15:43 - 125 of 1086

I'm on the June future, no difference between spread and equity except with an equity you need all the money up front.

Keeping the figures simple if I bought 1000 shares at 70p a share it'd cost me £700, with a spread if you buy £10 a point at 70 your downside risk is £700. Only difference tax and stamp aside is with a spread you don't need to stump up all the money when you place the bet.

cynic - 01 Mar 2012 15:48 - 126 of 1086

and of course on spreads, while the profits are not taxable, your losses aren't allowable either

Shortie - 01 Mar 2012 15:58 - 127 of 1086

Very true Cynic, and of course there is stamp to consider on equities where as not on a spread.

skinny - 01 Mar 2012 16:00 - 128 of 1086

And don't forget SB companies ARE the market - they make their money initially on the spread.

Shortie - 01 Mar 2012 16:16 - 129 of 1086

The spread however is normally very small, with equities however you pay to trade so very much like for like.

cynic - 02 Mar 2012 11:25 - 130 of 1086

very heavy traffic today, but after a reasonably bright start, sp is falling away relatively sharply ..... that does not necessarily mean that bad news is in the offing and has been leaked to the privileged, but worth watching nevertheless

aldwickk - 02 Mar 2012 11:30 - 131 of 1086

Had a sell order placed this morning for part of my holding @85

Shortie - 02 Mar 2012 12:13 - 132 of 1086

L2 buy orders now outweigh sells but not by much (250K), vwap sell 97.3 v's buy 71.65, was hoping we'd hold above 80 this morning.

Proselenes - 02 Mar 2012 12:34 - 133 of 1086

Rumour is being spread (by not in the know people) about technical problems and having to re-spud.

Could well be just like the RKH "heavy oil" lies....... simply a way to make shorters some money, spread some lies and watch the muppets sell.

Shortie - 02 Mar 2012 12:53 - 134 of 1086

I've not heard any rumours. We're halfway through the drill so expect the sp to be volatile due to no news. This is normal behaviour, for an oiley with no producing assets and limited funds/chances of sucess.
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