Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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Aldwickk, How can you possibly consider yourself vegan or vegetarian when you eat fish?

Frampton,

Aids doesn't let little things like that get in his gullet.

But i can see why he is a little tophaceous or even cretaceous.

That's very illogical , why would I eat meat ? ........ still its what you would expect from Fred

Fred, good advice (11903) Got a house near me that sits on a old abattoir. Its a new build but on the site from the war. 'DURING THE WAR' they ran out of coal. So stock that had Anthrax was buried there instead of burned. Anthrax can sit in the ground 50-100 years. So the soil has been pushed around, you do not want to be growing veg .

Frampton

I didn't say I was vegetation or vegan

Am a Ovo / Pescatarian vegetation [ Ovo , egg and Pescatarian , fish.] The main thing is not to eat meat or dairy , I don't consider egg's as strictly dairy as all other dairy is milk based.

Mind you I do yield to temptation and order a black forest sundae when am in a Harvester.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14379240

..Murdoch Foam Pie Attacker Gets Six Weeks

By Rachel Younger, Sky News correspondent | Sky News 27 minutes ago
....The comedian who threw a foam pie at Rupert Murdoch as the News Corp boss was giving evidence to MPs has been sentenced to six weeks in prison.

Jonathan May-Bowles , who is also known by his stage name Jonny Marbles, was told by a judge at Westminster Magistrates' Court he would have to serve at least half his sentence.

May-Bowles was also fined 250 and ordered to pay 250 costs.

The comedian, dressed casually in a checked shirt, remained impassive as his sentence was passed. He pleaded guilty last week to assault and causing harassment, alarm or distress.

The court heard how had flung a foam pie at Mr Murdoch as he began to conclude giving evidence to the Commons Culture Media and Sport Committee about the phone hacking scandal on July 19.

District Judge Daphne Wickham told him that Mr Murdoch's committee appearance had been "of huge importance to a number of people deeply affected by the conduct of employees at his organisation."


She told May-Bowles that dignity and a civilised approach were an important part of the parliamentary process, and said: "Everyone accepted that but you."

Explaining why she had chosen to ignore the usual sentencing guidelines Mrs Wickham said that only the intervention of others had prevented Mr Murdoch from coming to potentially greater harm.

"No one save you could have known what that foam was," she said.

"I have to take into account the fear that you caused in that room."


The court heard how Mr Murdoch's wife, Wendi Deng, had sprung to his defence, hitting May-Bowles and trying to fling the pie back at him.

Her husband wasn't injured in the incident and hadn't supported charges being pressed.

Defence lawyer Tim Greaves explained his client had only been trying to express his anger and disappointment at News International "in the least harmful way he knew."

Slapstick and throwing pies, he argued, had been used as a form of protest since the early 1900s.

In mitigation, he assured the court that May-Bowles was a 26-year-old family man of good character who never intended to do anything like this again.


Explaining his actions, May-Bowles said after the attack: "I guess I did it because I had no faith in the Parliamentary process and I wanted to see some kind of justice done."

But in a hearing that lasted just 20 minutes, Judge Wickham made it clear a custodial sentence had been inevitable.

May-Bowles' lawyer returned to court later to announce that the protester was appealing against his sentence and to apply for bail.

Mr Greaves argued that the jail term was "excessive" and that sentencing guidelines had not been followed, and said it was likely that May-Bowles would have served his sentence in full by the time the appeal came before a crown court judge.

But Mrs Wickham said she was not prepared to grant bail and ordered the comedian to remain in custody.
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"I don't consider egg's as strictly dairy "

Eggs aren't dairy in any way, they are animal.

My poached egg is white with a yellow/orange centre , does your's run around on two leg's

Eggs are often confused as both a form of dairy and of meat, but in reality, they are neither.

Because eggs are an animal byproduct, just like milk, many people catagorize eggs as dairy. However, dairy is very specifically designated as the byproduct of the mammary glands of mammals like cows or goats. Essentially dairy is any milk or milk-made product, such as butter or ice-cream.

However, eggs are not meat either. Eggs are the fetal form of a mature animal, and are considered their own entity in and of themselves, than meat. Eggs are eggs and meat is meat.

Debt Ceiling Won't Put Lid On Economic Woes


(c) Sky News 2011, 20:22, Tuesday 2 August 2011

The US has agreed to raise its debt ceiling - but this does not mean the panic is over and the markets seem less than impressed.

Despite opposition on both sides of the political divide, the agreement to raise the US debt ceiling by 2trn has gone through, meaning the US can pay its bills.

Far from a massive market rally, we've seen losses on shares around the globe - adding to the sharp declines of last week.

The moves, they say, don't go far enough and have taken too long to agree.

The spending cuts agreed are simply not enough to guarantee US fiscal health.

They fall way short of the sort of fundamental reforms to the tax and spending systems economists say are vital in America.

And if political discord has led to a "fudge" this time, getting those large-scale reforms through in the future will be even harder.

And it's not just the markets: those who determine the US's credit-worthiness could decide in the next few months that the plans aren't credible enough, leading to the possible loss of the country's coveted triple-A rating.

That could make it harder and more expensive for the world's largest economy to borrow and finance its deficit.

But what really threw the markets on Monday was a monthly survey on manufacturing.

It pointed to stagnation in US industry which, following on from last week's poor GDP figures, threw up fresh fears about growth.

This, say the experts, isn't just a soft patch, it's the start of a sustained slowdown - the kind of thing that makes it hard for an economy to withstand big spending cuts and, in fact, risks making the deficit even bigger.

The man called "Dr Doom" for correctly predicting the last recession, Nouriel Roubini, warns there's a 30% chance of the US going into a double-dip recession.

That's bad news for the whole globe, and recovery across the board. Could things get that bad?

For once, the UK is ahead of the US when it comes to the economy.

With austerity plans already in place for a year, is the UK experience a cautionary tale or an exemplary lesson for the US?

Certainly the retention of the UK's credit rating and relatively low bond yield (the cost of government borrowing) suggests attempts to get an early grip on public finances worked.

But on the other hand, the sharp slowing in growth prospects for the UK suggests austerity has gone too far too fast.

GDP looks set to struggle to expand by 1.5% this year.

It's quite something when the IMF (Berlin: MXG1.BE - news) - the body who likes governments to keep their financial houses in order above all else - is warning that the UK has to be flexible about its fiscal plans and stand ready to help the economic growth stay on its feet, an emphatic sign of the risks we face.

Struggling to cope with debt and deficit crises against a backdrop of faltering recovery is now a common theme across much of the developed world.

It's a mess, caused by living way beyond our means, that was several years in the making - which means it may take several years of painful choices, tricky navigating and flexibility to solve.

The deal on the debt ceiling may have been months in the making but it's not the answer.

I didn't say eggs were meat. I said they were animal. They are not an animal byproduct. They are cells of the animal in the same way that cod's roe is fish.

It is convenient for non meat eaters to regard eggs as an animal byproduct or 'dairy' but it doesn't make it so. It is just a cop out so they can eat eggs.

I eat eggs, meat, dairy etc and it is of no significance how many animals are killed for food. I am not even sure it matters how they are treated either. It is not clear on what basis and for what reasons that it would matter.

I always respect people who have decided to be vegetarian or vegan on moral or health grounds - or both. It's just not for me.

Homo Sapiens has evolved as an omnivore, but it is likely that modern man tends to eat more meat than is sensible or wise.

Having said that, I've just eaten a Waitrose Aberdeen Angus hamburger, made with red wine, caramelised onion and herbs. In a wholemeal roll. Delicious!

" I eat eggs, meat, dairy etc and it is of no significance how many animals are killed for food. I am not even sure it matters how they are treated either. It is not clear on what basis and for what reasons that it would matter."

Moral reason's ? Haystack's, you seem to have the some mindset toward's animal's as the Nazis party had toward's Jew's. Anything that you think is beneath you should be exploited and ill-treated .

MM

I hope it was organic

I am not recomending ill treating animals. I am not sure there is a moral question involved though. I wouldn't ill treat an animal, but the morality associated with it is questionable. If you think morality is involved then why is that? If you dispense with religion and religious teaching then what is the source of the morality that you are applying. Certainly ill treating animals is probaby not sensible as regards the efficiencies of farming and it makes some sense not to upset those in society who do think it is immoral, but where does that moral opinion come from?

I don't regard animals as beneath me, but different in the way that a carrot is different or a brick. Do you mind squishing flies? There is no essential difference between a fly and a baby seal. We just think one is cute, but there are times when they both need squishing.

Aldwickk, you did actually say you were 'more vegan than vegetarian', allthough being 'vegetation' sounds like the most interesting option of all!

" There is no essential difference between a fly and a baby seal. " There is a difference between animal's and insect's and that is a nervous system , does a fly feel pain or stress like a cat or a dog ?

What does it say in the Bible about man has dominion over all creatures , but with most thing's in the Bible you can always pick and choose and twist it to suit your own agenda

The bible has nothing to do with it. That's just a manual for believers in extra terestial beings, fairies and such like.

Aids,

How often do you ask a fly when you are squishing it, whether it is feeling any stress or pain?

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I know that there is a new systematisation in "Biology" but your definitions don't fit in to the "new or old " categories.

However, as ever, you are entitled to your own system.

But I know I am impure animal with a "Bacterial core"!

80)

We all know what you are Fred