Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I didn't say eggs were meat. I said they were animal. They are not an animal byproduct. They are cells of the animal in the same way that cod's roe is fish.

It is convenient for non meat eaters to regard eggs as an animal byproduct or 'dairy' but it doesn't make it so. It is just a cop out so they can eat eggs.

I eat eggs, meat, dairy etc and it is of no significance how many animals are killed for food. I am not even sure it matters how they are treated either. It is not clear on what basis and for what reasons that it would matter.

I always respect people who have decided to be vegetarian or vegan on moral or health grounds - or both. It's just not for me.

Homo Sapiens has evolved as an omnivore, but it is likely that modern man tends to eat more meat than is sensible or wise.

Having said that, I've just eaten a Waitrose Aberdeen Angus hamburger, made with red wine, caramelised onion and herbs. In a wholemeal roll. Delicious!

" I eat eggs, meat, dairy etc and it is of no significance how many animals are killed for food. I am not even sure it matters how they are treated either. It is not clear on what basis and for what reasons that it would matter."

Moral reason's ? Haystack's, you seem to have the some mindset toward's animal's as the Nazis party had toward's Jew's. Anything that you think is beneath you should be exploited and ill-treated .

MM

I hope it was organic

I am not recomending ill treating animals. I am not sure there is a moral question involved though. I wouldn't ill treat an animal, but the morality associated with it is questionable. If you think morality is involved then why is that? If you dispense with religion and religious teaching then what is the source of the morality that you are applying. Certainly ill treating animals is probaby not sensible as regards the efficiencies of farming and it makes some sense not to upset those in society who do think it is immoral, but where does that moral opinion come from?

I don't regard animals as beneath me, but different in the way that a carrot is different or a brick. Do you mind squishing flies? There is no essential difference between a fly and a baby seal. We just think one is cute, but there are times when they both need squishing.

Aldwickk, you did actually say you were 'more vegan than vegetarian', allthough being 'vegetation' sounds like the most interesting option of all!

" There is no essential difference between a fly and a baby seal. " There is a difference between animal's and insect's and that is a nervous system , does a fly feel pain or stress like a cat or a dog ?

What does it say in the Bible about man has dominion over all creatures , but with most thing's in the Bible you can always pick and choose and twist it to suit your own agenda

The bible has nothing to do with it. That's just a manual for believers in extra terestial beings, fairies and such like.

Aids,

How often do you ask a fly when you are squishing it, whether it is feeling any stress or pain?

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I know that there is a new systematisation in "Biology" but your definitions don't fit in to the "new or old " categories.

However, as ever, you are entitled to your own system.

But I know I am impure animal with a "Bacterial core"!

80)

We all know what you are Fred

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Can I have a drink first. Please, please and I promise not to spill any, and, and, and promise to be good tomorrow.







Or the recognition of failure:-

I haven't done my homework yet.

(Never used that one.)

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Sky News 3 hours ago....tweet22EmailPrint......Related Content.
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Enlarge Photo.Paul Daniels Treated After Sooty Pizza Attack
....Veteran TV magician Paul Daniels has admitted needing medical treatment after being hit in the face with a pizza thrown by Sooty, the puppet.

The 73-year-old was filming a scene for the new series of ITV's The Sooty Show when the wayward snack struck him harder than expected on the head.

The incident was witnessed by a shocked Sweep.

But Daniels attempted to play down reports of the incident when he spoke to Sky News.

He said he had driven himself to a "village hospital" after his eye began to sting but was given the all clear after receiving an eye drop.


"It was over a month ago," he said. "I wasn't hospitalised by Sooty, there was a slapstick scene, I got pizza in my eye.

"It stung so on the way home that evening I called into a local wonderful village hospital.

"A nurse said, 'Oh no that's all right'...

"That was it it was all over, she put a little drop in my eye, it did sting for about a minute, and then gone."

Co-star Richard Cadell, who had been operating Sooty the puppet, was devastated after throwing the pizza much softer in the first take.

He told Sky News: "Paul turned round and said 'Come on Sooty, give it some welly!', so I did. The second throw hit him hard.


"Debbie (McGee, Paul's wife and assistant) laughed when it hit him but soon realised he'd been hurt.

"Paul was a childhood hero of mine so you can imagine how I felt."

Daniels - who is performing at his year's Edinburgh Fringe Festival - later denied asking for the pizza to be thrown harder when speaking to Sky News.

He also denied appearing dazed, saying this was his "normal walking state".

The offending scene can be viewed when The Sooty Show returns to ITV in September.
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I see Cameron and the fox have kept their promises over Military funding and upgrading of weaponry.

They have told new recruits to bring their own i-pods, pea shooters, jeans and T-shirts.

What L Bs.

Can't even call this a U-turn.



Sorry NM.

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PS,

Sorry forgot.

Some have been asked to bring their own bath ducks to replace the aircraft carriers.

Doubt that there will be any board jobs going for them on Arms Manufacturers, when they are out of office.

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Why in an economic crisis are the overpaid MPs and rest of Government in "recess", while at the same time others should be accepting cut backs and efficiency plans.


On second thoughts, perhaps, it is better if the recess is extended



What a coalition of ?!!!!!

Patience is a virtue possess it if you can, seldom in a women, never in a man.

or to put it another way.

Be fearful when people are greedy. Be greedy when people are fearful.

Good old Warren.

The Bible is the authority that we have been given by God for moral decisions. The Bilbe encourages the eating of animals, therefore there is nothing wrong with eating animals.

The quality of food produced by the farming industries in various parts of the world is, of course, another matter. Not to mention what the food processing industries do when raw food and assorted chemicals go into their factories.

Legally you can't be cruel to an invertebrate since it was decided some time ago that they lacked a proper brain capable of feeling what we call pain. Unless you have studied the matter or at least read the scientific liturature you are not qualified to do more than ask the question.

I am always amazed by the number of people (mostly men it has to be said) who complain about cruel farmers etc. and then go out with a selection of barbed hooks with the intention of getting them stuck in a fish's mouth or stomach. A fish is a vertebrate.

To accept the above you would have to start by believing in a god which fortunately is a diminishing habit.

In the absense of a god we just have to accept morality being an acceptable style of behaviour and not much more. Our laws have nothing to do with morality, but are founded on what is convenient and good for society. Morality is a vague term with little to base it on.

As the markets have had the sort of day that makes us all in need of a laugh, here are just a few.

The Darwin awards are out!
Yes, it's that time of year when the Darwin Awards are bestowed to honour the least evolved on the planet.

All that follows are taken from media reports, so very probably true.

And the winner is:

1. When his 38 calibre revolver failed to fire at his intended victim during a hold-up in Long Beach , California the would-be robber, James Elliot, did something that can only inspire wonder. He peered down the barrel and tried the trigger again. This time it worked.

Honourable mentions:

2. The chef at a hotel in Switzerland lost a finger in a meat cutting machine and after a little shopping around, submitted a claim to his insurance company. The company expecting negligence sent out one of its men to have a look for himself. He tried the machine and he also lost a finger. The chef's claim was approved.

3. A man who shoveled snow for an hour to clear a space for his car during a blizzard in Chicago returned with his vehicle to find a woman had taken the space. Understandably, he shot her.

4. After stopping for drinks at an illegal bar, a Zimbabwean bus driver found that the 20 mental patients he was supposed to be transporting from Harare to Bulawayo had escaped. Not wanting to admit his incompetence, the driver went to a nearby bus stop and offered everyone waiting there a free ride. He then delivered the passengers to the mental hospital, telling the staff that the patients were very excitable and prone to bizarre fantasies.. The deception wasn't discovered for 3 days.

5. An American teenager was in the hospital recovering from serious head wounds received from an oncoming train. When asked how he received the injuries, the lad told police that he was simply trying to see how close he could get his head to a moving train before he was hit.

6. A man walked into a Louisiana Circle-K, put a $20 bill on the counter, and asked for change. When the clerk opened the cash drawer, the man pulled a gun and asked for all the cash in the register, which the clerk promptly provided. The man took the cash from the clerk and fled, leaving the $20 bill on the counter. The total amount of cash he got from the drawer..... $15. [If someone points a gun at you and gives you money, is a crime committed?]

7. Seems an Arkansas guy wanted some beer pretty badly. He decided that he'd just throw a cinder block through a liquor store window, grab some booze, and run. So he lifted the cinder block and heaved it over his head at the window. The cinder block bounced back and hit the would-be thief on the head, knocking him unconscious. The liquor store window was made of Plexiglas. The whole event was caught on videotape....

8. As a female shopper exited a New York convenience store, a man grabbed her purse and ran. The clerk called 911 immediately, and the woman was able to give them a detailed description of the snatcher. Within minutes, the police apprehended the snatcher. They put him in the car and drove back to the store. The thief was then taken out of the car and told to stand there for a positive ID. To which he replied, "Yes, officer, that's her. That's the lady I stole the purse from."

9.. The Ann Arbor News crime column reported that a man walked into a Burger King in Ypsilanti , Michigan at 5 A.M., flashed a gun, and demanded cash. The clerk turned him down because he said he couldn't open the cash register without a food order. When the man ordered onion rings, the clerk said they weren't available for breakfast... The man, frustrated, walked away. [*A 5-STAR STUPIDITY AWARD WINNER]

10. When a man attempted to siphon gasoline from a motor home parked on a Seattle street by sucking on a hose, he got much more than he bargained for. Police arrived at the scene to find a very sick man curled up next to a motor home near spilled sewage. A police spokesman said that the man admitted to trying to steal gasoline, but he plugged his siphon hose into the motor home's sewage tank by mistake. The owner of the vehicle declined to press charges saying that it was the best laugh he'd ever had.


They walk among us and can reproduce.