Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Life begins when you die - but only if you belong to OUR church.

Q. Who says this?

A. All religious leaders.

And it's all mixed up with a dose of 'good morality' to make it look and sound good.

My advice?

Strip out as much mysticism and any other false casues from your thinking processes and try to deal as much as you can with the reality of situations.

ie.

Don't rely on 'God' or 'Luck' or any other mystic crap.

In only 8 words:

There cannot be a God because existence exists.

Bear in mind that Good/Bad Luck is what people seem to have had when they look back. The best way to get good fortune is to work hard and thoroughly and try to create it for yourself by the avoidance of potential mishap.

Try to treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. That way, you get to sleep better at night. And there's more.....

I do like how it's put in this 'message from the grave'.

Hays.

Beginning to realise what you substituted for God.

Ps,

There are still married priests in the Christian Church and even Monks can have children "openly".

Although, having been on the other side of the grave more than once, I never received any useful information from the experience!

H/S, Paul? Paul who?

Saint Paul, who wrote a large part of the New Testament.

'Life begins when you die'

But not at this particular Christian church

Shall we lose our current life based on a hope for life after death?
Live nice and enjoy your life while you know you are alive.

BTW, I believe in life after death, but I don't waste a minute of my life for that!

If you Google what was before God , one of the answers is something along the line's that God wasn't created he is always there because he is a spirit

Also try , what was God doing before he created the Universe

Why should I bother? Many good things can be done with direct benefit to the community than thinking about what God was doing or plans to do.

Can I help him? NO, so why bother

He could prevent the Tsunami in Japan though!!!

" He could prevent the Tsunami in Japan though! "

Did he tell you that ?

How could he when he doesn't exist.

Bit of a crap design though, for the giraffe's laryngeal nerve.

Watch Richard Dawkins use the route this nerve follows in the neck to prove that this must have occurred through 'evolution' rather than through the good design of any kind of creator:

If you want to watch/listen to more from Richard Dawkins, then try:

http://bigthink.com/richarddawkins

There's a full 34 min interview and there are links on the page breaking the interview into small chunks.

Also try Christopher Hitchens ranting about the Catholic Church

Hays,

Father Christmas "I didn't."

You probably had to buy your own!

'evolution' doesn't disprove any kind of creator:, because the process of evolution could have been started by a kind of creator .

Ah yes, the latest god ploy - Intelligent Design. The god freaks have given up on denying Darwinism as it is so patently obvious. Now they are coming up with a new slant. What happened to the previous doctrine? Was it just because it was so obviously untrue?

The creationists set the beginning of creation variously at between 10 thousand and 25 thousand years ago. As that theory is looking a bit worse for wear they are trying to get on the evolution bandwagon.

Am open minded about it , what was there before creation just frozen time ?
what I can't get my head around is something that has no beginning .

http://fas-philosophy.rutgers.edu/zimmerman/GodInsideTime.pdf

Its to much for me to take in . What's all mean in a nut shell ?

The big flaw in all of that is that there is absolutely no need to ask the question.

Similarly, since a question has been asked there is no real reason to answer it.

If somone asks a daft question such as, "Why are we here?" then they are supposing first of all that there must be some reason as to why we are here. This is fallacious.

There doesn't have to be a reason. We are simply 'here'.

Existence exists.

If it did not, then there would just be a void.

Simples.

Q. Why is there such a problem accepting this?

A. Probably the human ego makes us feel that we are so important, or that human conciousness is so important, that it would be such an enormous pity if it were to terminate, or be allowed to terminate.

So this stuff must make it a very easy job for religious leaders to usurp such enormous power over such large numbers of the populace.

There isn't a void. Existence exists. So is there is simply no need for there to be such a thing as a 'god creator' to have created it.

When the human brain no longer gets fed with oxygen from the blood supply, ie. at the point of death, then the human conciousness for that brain would simply cease to exist. It's very sad....but it's very true. :-(

Sad too, that brain damage can completely change the personality of someone and turn that someone into someone who is no longer a nice guy - or has the same mental characteristics of the person we knew before. :-(

Soon I will be 95 That is if Im still alive.
I ask my friend who is 98, 'What do you think of our inevitable fate?'
He smiles and turns away.
'I think of life,' I hear him say.

From a poem by Kirk Douglas