Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred
Morality is taught in schools now. My kids and many others with no religious affiliation have morailty taught to them at school and at home. Religion does not feature in their lives in any way except as a source of amusement.

Fred, I do not think you would be able to see them. I bet they are hidden in vaults, well out of view of the public.

Haystack

"Morality is taught in schools now. My kids and many others with no religious affiliation have morailty taught to them at school...."

I find that quite interesting.

Can you post up any kind of an example?

I m not sure what you mean by "Can you post up any kind of an example?"

The post was a reply to Fred's silly post: -

Hays,

"Morality can easily be taught in school without religion. Morality is only what is convenient for society."

I believe the Fascists in Germany attempted to "indoctrinate" and instil "morality" in the schools from 1930-1945. Thankfully, for the majority of Europe, the morality instilled had a transient effect. But for a period that it was "taught" it was "believed" to be advantageous to the elite and the "state" at that time.

From the Police Inspector Blog

Tottenham A warning for the future.
August 7, 2011 by inspectorgadget


"....Constant abuse from the media about police officers being paid overtime, the lies about our gold-plated pensions, the extreme danger of dismissal or disciplinary action faced by any police officer who even looks the wrong way at certain members of society (no matter what they are doing) and the huge potential cuts in our wages will have an effect. We cannot strike but we dont have to volunteer to come in when we are off duty either.

But I also know how many home telephones were left unanswered last night all over the Home Counties.

......Summer 2011 could be the time when at last the private sector see for themselves just how much public sector provision in Britain relies upon good will and loyalty. Both of those principles demand reciprocation,...."

mnamreh

I agree.

He hasn't had much luck with the job's he has been after , funny that considering he saved the World .

Fred want's him to come back to sort out the mess he created in this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iPaiylUYW0

Haystack

"Morality is taught in schools now. My kids and many others with no religious affiliation have morailty taught to them at school...."

Sorry. I'll re-phrase my question.

You say that Morality is taught in school and specifically, that it is taught in your kids' school to your kids.

As an example, can you provide an example of the sort of morality teaching that your kids are receiving from their school?

Is it say given to the kids as a written set of social rules to follow - and if so what are they?

You also say that religion does not feature in their lives in any way, except as a source of amusement.

When i was being educated as a 'senior student' I used to go to 'General Studies', where we would usually debate a topic of political or other type of interest. Is this the kind of teaching you are referring to, where the teacher merely guides the kids own debate?

I don't know whether your kids are infants, juniors, seniors or of university age. But by other than your good self, I wondered if they are taught to scorn religion at 'school' and deal only with reality and real kinds of stuff and to strip out mysticism from such situations and then on this basis, think things out for themselves? (Which is pretty much what my wife and I taught our own kids)

By the way, I think we succeeded to some extent, in that neither one of them has ever smoked tobacco or touched any kinds of soft or hard drugs. We know that 'they would say that to us, anyway' but when they do, they are pretty damn convincing.

I don't teach my kids to scorn religion. They do seem to think that religion is a force for harm in society though. When they were being brought up we deliberately avoided the topic of religion so that they could make their own mind up. Without any guidance over religion they have both decided that the whole thing is absurd. They did religious studies at school and found it quite amusing to see that people believed in such silly things. I remember the youngest coming home from primary school and showing us what he had to wtite down about god and the creation of the world. He was in fits of laughter over it. They are 15 and 17 now. They both have a strong sense of morality. I guess they have arrived at that point due to the scools they went to and our influence. Now they are much older we do discuss religion and they know our views on the matter. I am pleased to say that they do not treat religious officials such as vicars, priests, nuns etc with any more deference that any other people, except to regard them as a bit odd.

This is waht led up to the rioting yesterday. It is the details of the shooting a couiple of days ago.

................

Mark Duggan, 29, was in a car being followed by police during a covert operation on Thursday.

But Duggan, a known offender from Londons notorious Broadwater Farm Estate, became aware that he was being followed and opened fire on the officers.
He shot the officer from Scotland Yards elite firearms squad CO19 in the side of his chest with a handgun.
The bullet lodged in the police radio that the undercover officer was carrying in a side pocket.
Armed officers shot the gunman dead seconds later.

Residents said at least three shots were fired when officers swooped during the evening rush hour at about 6.15pm.
The Evening Standard quoted the dead man's girlfriend Simone Wilson, 29, as saying she was 'shocked' to learn her boyfriend of 13 years was carrying a gun.
A witness said the shooting took place near a bus stop and medics tried to save the

And yet on the 3 BBC news bulletins I watched today, there was only mention of a man being shot by Police, nothing about a police Officer being shot. Typical BBC.

Hays,

You are beginning to worry me.

I repeat my statement::-

"I believe the Fascists in Germany attempted to "indoctrinate" and instil "morality" in the schools from 1930-1945. Thankfully, for the majority of Europe, the morality instilled had a transient effect. But for a period that it was "taught" it was "believed" to be advantageous to the elite and the "state" at that time."

The point, which I was making briefly by way of analogy, is that with "state", (particularly the present and recent governments) imposing on schools a "national curriculum", with specified subject content, there is danger of "Moral indoctrination" by the state. This was attempted in Germany and certainly, it was attempted by various communist regimes in different countries. (Although, the attempts to do so failed in their entirety, they have certainly left the deleterious effects of their processing on those societies.)
There are some protections from the non-conforming curriculum diversities within "schools".

Another point, is your seeming amusement in the "religious scepticism" of your children, which is put down to the "morality teaching" in their schools. You are possibly forgetting that one of the strongest influences on an individual morality is due to covert moral introjections. More often than not, the latter are from the parents and to a lesser degree from peer groups.

This can be challenge and perhaps should be challenged at a later date in one's development.

If you don't think you influence you children, listen to some of ones own utterances to one's children at various times in their development and you may hear the echo of your own parents voices. (This can be quite amusing.)
Of course, you could be an absent parent, but even then, you may be influential on their morality.

Again, although it is interesting for some, to discuss morality of a situation or problem, the majority's response to a moral question, or situation, is "instinctual" and based upon what they have previously learnt..

Think again.

The "religious scepticism" of my children, is not put down to the "morality teaching" in their schools. It is just because of the religious teaching was so amusing. The whole religion thing defied their sense pf logic. Of course their morality is picked up from their parents and friends. I just don't want it picked up from religious teaching as you also get so much crap along with the morality.

Hays,

You can see the reason for a little of my confusion:-)

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Fred

Morality is taught in schools now. My kids and many others with no religious affiliation have morailty taught to them at school and at home. Religion does not feature in their lives in any way except as a source of amusement.

PS.

Substitute "beliefs" for "religion".

It is interesting to me that Cameron and Osborne are summering abroad, while he preaches to the unemployed that they should be working harder for less.

Perhaps, they can't get back through customs.

But, from the last 18mths of coalition government, it is better that they stay where they are.

How much is the police London budget be cut for the coming 2years?


Fascinating that Osborne is telling EC to sort out their economic problems, with the cursory note that it is their problem.

He is unreal!




Edited

Petrol Prices Set To Fall As Oil Cost Tumbles




Sky News 2011, 17:28, Monday 8 August 2011

Petrol prices are expected to fall in coming days after stock market falls and global recession fears saw oil costs slip.

Asda (NYSE: WMT - news) has already said it will cut prices by up to 2p a litre at its 188 filling stations from Tuesday, with other supermarkets likely to follow suit.

The supermarket has told customers they won't pay more than 132.7p per litre for unleaded and 136.7p for diesel.

"We expect our rivals to follow - but unlike them we set and publish a maximum national price cap," Asda said.

On Monday, Brent crude fell by over 3% to $105 a barrel, on the back of the blow to investor confidence dealt by the US credit rating downgrade.

Petrol prices last fell in June, when the International Energy Agency opened emergency reserves.

Analysts say the fall in oil price this time is due to falling investor confidence over economic growth following the first-ever downgrade of America's debt rating.

Lower economic growth worldwide will mean less demand for oil.

The AA's Paul Watters welcomed Asda's decision to cut prices but warned that stock market speculators could quickly drive the price of oil back up.

He added: "The AA says drivers deserve a longer respite from near-record fuel prices during the holiday period, but nobody should underestimate the ability of so-called 'sentiment' in the commodity markets to drive prices back up again."

The AA notes that the average cost of unleaded

I wonder how many of these 'socially networked' rioters would think twice if the police weren't forced to be so liberal.

Cue Greek ........

Altogether now

London's burning, London's burning.
Fetch the engines, fetch the engines.
Fire fire, Fire Fire!
Pour on water, pour on water.
London's burning, London's burning.

Rioters smashing up Harlow town ctr. Essex, Just heard

10 pounds worth of damage