Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Greek - I thought it was Annie Taylor!

Now, now, behave!

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Further update to the CERN article - Light speed: Flying into fantasy


on edit. One comment says it all ""You can imagine: we'll never get old - politicians would stay young forever.""

My question, did it beat the speed of light? This beam was in a straight line, yes.
Has anyone thought the earth is curved, so light travelling here is curved .Did it beat the speed of light?

Do you mean the Flat Earth theory is wrong?

Just a thought Fred.

Nutrinos pass stright through matter including the earth from one side to the other. The path of the beam was underground in a straight line. The scientists at Cern are not that sure of the speed, which is why they want other scientists to check their findings. It is very unlikely to be true.

The principle is that as something gets faster then it becomes more massive which in turn rrequires more energy. As the mass approaches the speed of light the energy required to increase the speed becomes infinite at the point where it is the speed of light.

Thanks haystack, just a sudden thought.

Columbia University physicist Brian Greene said he would "bet just about everything I hold dear that this won't hold up to scrutiny." But even if the results are confirmed, Einstein's theories will need more of a patch than anything else, he said.

Ereditato agreed.

"When Einstein did his relativity, it didn't destroy what Newton did. In fact, Newton explains 99.9 percent of what is happening around us. But still, in some special conditions of matter, you are forced to use special relativity," Ereditato said. "Now suppose we would find one day that under extreme conditions you have to take into account corrections to what we know now. This doesn't mean that Einstein's wrong."

And this is the glory of science, said Don Howard, who lectures on Einstein and heads the Reilly Center for Science, Technology and Values at Notre Dame University. Experiments are allowed, even encouraged, to challenge pillars of science.

"Everything is up for grabs," Howard said. "Even a genius like Einstein."

Einstein proved wrong? If the speed of light is NOT the ultimate speed, is it conceivable that, according to his theory of relativity, that we could travel faster than 'light', thus returning to Earth in say 20yrs (10yrs out, 10 yrs back) before our great, great grand children are born?
YEARS AGO AT COLLEGE, I tried to prove that 'Einstein's Theory of Relativity' cannot be true and WILL NEVER be possible, so all future experiments will be a total waste of resources. This is how my theory of 'constant relativity' is explained, in simple terms.
1. The speed of light- 186,000 miles per SECOND!
2. The space shuttle can only manage 22,000 miles per HOUR, YET CAN BURN UP ON RE-ENTRY at such a comparatively low speed.
3. A space ship travelling at light speed, would need to be made of materials harder than diamond or borazon to be capable of withstanding burning up in space at a speed of 1000 x that of the shuttle, which would still be hundreds of times slower than light speed. At 2,200,000mph(2 million) particles in space would seriously damage any craft at these huge speeds. Wormholes will not be possible, theoretically on paper they appear to work, but in practice you would be lost in space.
4. Light does not move and has no perceptible power. Shine the most powerful beam onto a feather, and there is no movement , why is this? Light is illuminated along strings of air/space particles - like a domino effect, illuminating not travelling, the speed of which is calculated over distances. Each particle illuminates the next particle almost instantly, giving us light speed, but nothing has moved.
Dominoes have the ability to move the next domino until all the dominoes have fallen, thus giving the effect of movement but all the dominoes are still there but in a different position!
5. An anomaly of science physics, has shown how travelling at light speed can alter the amount of time you spend in space relative to those back on Earth. In practice these speeds can never be achieved, as this would require travelling around the Earth SEVEN TIMES in the time it takes to click your fingers once = one second. Einstein's calculations would only work at light speed (theoretically on paper) if the space ship reached exactly light speed, a fraction under and the maths don't work.
6. Travelling at ONE SEVENTH the speed of light..is still absolutely not possible in space. Equivalent to once around the world in just ONE SECOND, SUCH A SPEED would take years to build up to and years to slow down towards destination of the nearest star, that in practical terms the journey would be longer than the life spans of the crew, and that is only one seventh light speed! AND EINSTEIN? he knew all this, but proving the impossible is what drove him on!

Should that be ` Look up '

Yep up would be better

Ye canna change the laws of physics :-)

Yer sure cant.lol

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Well its my "opinion" that you can't strike a match on a rice pudding.

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