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Clem Chambers...how does he get away with it? (AFN)     

maestro - 24 Nov 2006 17:02

fsa investigation?
ADVFN PLC
24 November 2006

ADVFN PLC (the 'Company')

Exercise of Options

The Company announces that options to subscribe for 150,002 ordinary shares of
one pence each in the Company have been exercised at a price of 1.25p per share.
These shares have been allotted and application for the shares to be admitted to
trading on AIM has been made to the London Stock Exchange. Admission of and
dealings in these shares are expected to commence on 1 December 2006.

maestro - 10 Jan 2007 12:22 - 131 of 168

up beat AGM statement...surprised 25% of all subscribers now come from overseas...looks like they have quit spending and are going to ramp up profits at last

goldfinger - 10 Jan 2007 12:45 - 132 of 168

So much for this action group then, what were they waving lettuce leafs.

ADVFN PLC
10 January 2007


ADVFN plc (the 'Company')


Result of AGM


The Company announces that at its Annual General Meeting, held today 10th
January 2007, all resolutions were duly passed. In addition, the Managing
Director of ADVFN, Clem Chambers, made the following statement:

'2006 was a strong year for ADVFN having seen a turnover rise of 35% to the year
end of June. Turnover growth has since continued in the period up to the end of
December.

The acquisition of InvestorsHub.com and Silicon Investor marks an important step
for ADVFN. It significantly expands our traffic and reach and brings with it a
strong platform of growth. The integration of these sites into our business
model has been proceeding well and the early fruits of this process will make a
positive impact in the year to June 2007. The prospects for significant growth
from these sites will be even greater in 2008.

Our overseas sites have been growing well with solid performances in Brazil,
Italy and Japan. This has resulted in non-UK subscriptions accounting for over
25% of ADVFN's total premium user sign ups. This proportion is steadily rising.

Equity Development, acquired at the beginning of 2006, is performing above
expectations and is profitable and cash generative.

CupidBay and Fotothing continue to generate strong traffic, and while non core
represent valuable properties which we believe will in due course provide an
excellent return.

ADVFN has been through a long period of investment in order to build a global
offering and while the company will continue investing, its platform has reached
a level of maturity where sales growth will increasingly improve bottom line
performance.

In the past the ADVFN business has grown alongside the growth of the site, which
has meant sales lagging development. With the growth of localised foreign
language sites and with the large traffic of our US acquisitions, the focus will
be less reliant on further investment thereby delivering a strengthening
financial performance.

With advertising sales levels and subscriber numbers at all time highs the
company is looking forward to strong growth in 2007 and feels confident that it
can continue to deliver this into 2008.'


For further information please contact:

Clem Chambers, CEO, ADVFN plc, 020 7070 0948
Fiona Kindness, Grant Thornton UK LLP (Nominated Adviser), 020 7383 5100
Rory Scott, Mirabaud Securities Limited (Broker), 020 7878 3360

Turnover growth means nothing without profit.

The only positive thing I can see is Equity Development.

Back to the drawing board Clem.



richardbees - 10 Jan 2007 12:50 - 133 of 168

...."the focus will be less reliant on further investment thereby delivering a strengthening financial performance....".....

So he's finally given up on empire building - probably because he knows he can't raise any more equity from another new issue.

goldfinger - 10 Jan 2007 12:51 - 134 of 168

Looking at it again, all words and no figures.

Clem would make a good politician.

goldfinger - 10 Jan 2007 12:53 - 135 of 168

Spot on Richard.

bloomers - 10 Jan 2007 13:10 - 136 of 168

Goldfinger

all words and no figures.

I agree, but that is par for the course with AFN and there is little to be done until further legislation dictates differently. However, the point has been made on numerous occasions that, to supply more information would look better in the eyes of shareholders.

The thing with which I would not agree is your comment about the action group waving lettuce leaves.

I think you may well find that as a result of it's formation and the support it received from major shareholders the line highlighted by RB may have been born.

...."the focus will be less reliant on further investment thereby delivering a strengthening financial performance....".....

I had received correspondence prior to AGM saying just that.

As for the rest of the content, I shall reserve judgement until we get some actual feedback from those who attended.

DougalDog - 10 Jan 2007 14:00 - 137 of 168

Well chaps .... I was there.

Let me just drop my lettuce leaf.

Mistakes have been made - On the reporting of the numbers ..... this will be rectified going forward. Good. Well done Mike and Clem.

The success sites (US, Brazil, Japan and Italy) will really effect the bottom line next year. The crap sites that did not work (France, Germany etc) are costing zilch and will remain (Hhhmm)

The 2.5M rise in "Admin Costs" was all down to 13 additional staff (Double Hhhhmmm)

Can I have a job?

Cupidbay and Fotothing are successful and up for sale (but nobody wants them) and are contributing nothing.

They want to sell AFN ....... to anyone.

Current share price is a joke - agreed.

rogersg - Is a nice chap.

Haystack - 10 Jan 2007 14:34 - 138 of 168

Hmmm!

The 2.5M rise in "Admin Costs" was all down to 13 additional staff?

13 staff at 2.5m!

That's an average of 192,307 each!!!!!

maestro - 10 Jan 2007 14:54 - 139 of 168

do they need a tea boy? i'll settle for 25k

goldfinger - 10 Jan 2007 15:21 - 140 of 168

Haystack, they are all probably working in the Abuse dept LOL.

Bloomers and DD, thanks for putting me right on the lettuce leafs.

maestro - 15 Jan 2007 07:42 - 141 of 168

Independent

Small Talk: Financial group ADVFN forced by one of founders of Langbar International to divulge the identities of a number of subscribers after death threats against him were posted on one of its websites.

goldfinger - 15 Jan 2007 11:27 - 142 of 168

What about the Data Protection Act?????????????????????????????.

Kayak - 15 Jan 2007 11:33 - 143 of 168

It would have been through a court order.

DocProc - 15 Jan 2007 13:27 - 144 of 168

Subscribers always had a hell of a job unsubscribing from ADVFN and lots of them usually ended up using the 'destroy your credit card method'.

Are they still on ADVFN's Debtor's List for their subscriptions?

I have always thought, that on the Balance Sheet of ADVFN, the component part, which includes Debt from subscribers as assets, would be quite a large and exceedingly erroneous figure. Furthermore, it will continue to rise month by month as the error compounds.

eg, Just to get an idea, 1000 subscribers at 10 per month for 5 years = 600,000

richardbees - 15 Jan 2007 14:20 - 145 of 168

Doc, what an excellent point and first time it's been mentioned, either on this or the other bb!

Kayak - 15 Jan 2007 16:08 - 146 of 168

Don't think the auditors would allow too much of that. I think one of the parts of an audit is to satisfy themselves the debtor figure is collectable.

MightyMicro - 15 Jan 2007 16:43 - 147 of 168

Kayak: Absolutely right. Auditors -- even with private companies, let alone public, have to be satisfied that monies due are collectable, particularly if they're getting on a bit (the debts, that is, not the auditors).

DocProc - 15 Jan 2007 16:54 - 148 of 168

Don't lets confuse working Debtor Control Policy with the Debtor's List.

By that, just because they don't bother trying to collect it, well, it doesn't mean to say it is uncollectable.

Perhaps such subscribers as I have mentioned will be only be challenged to pay arrears when they try to log on with their old username and password.

On the Internet, things such as a subscriber's e-mail address change from time to time. Neither can connectability through a home user's ISP be absolutely guaranteed. Just these two things alone, might arguably give ADVFN the benefit of the doubt as to whether a subscriber has actually 'finished' or not.

Anyhow, all that apart.....

Q 1. How is their Debtor's List audited?
Q 2. What are the audit rules, which determine whether a non-paying subscriber is a debtor or not?
Q 3. Have these criteria always been the case? If not, when were they altered? What where they and what are they now?
Q 4. On the last reported Y/E accounts, what was the financial value of the whole ADVFN Debtor's List?

DocProc - 15 Jan 2007 17:17 - 149 of 168

MM

You have a good point there about collectability being important.

As a point of interest and seeing as you are involved somewhat with MoneyAM, could you advise what the latter's policy is perchance?

Such info' might serve as a good and reasonable comaparator.

On the one hand, I'll pass this opinion....FOR

I think the debts are highly collectable, particularly if the subscriber did not use a Recorded Delivery snail mail letter to Unsubscribe. Technically and in law, such a subscriber has not kept to the Terms and Conditions.

Once the debt has risen to, say 250, then surely it has to be worth having a go at collecting it? At least, by using a Debt Collection Agency and on a 'no win - no fee' basis?

Surely at this stage the old subscriber may be considered to have terminated with his or her 'ADVFN Goodwill' and, since this is now not important from ADVFN's viewpoint, the debt should financially be well worth pursuing - and into the Small Claims Court too.

There is no defence that is satisfatory to an ex-subscriber who did not use a recorded delivery letter to unsubscribe.

On the other hand, I'll pass the opinion that these types of debts are uncollectable - AGAINST

The Terms and Conditions concerning subscription cancellation are irrelevant.

If you can't collect them automatically by debit methods from a bank or credit card account then they are actually unenforceable in real life.

The costs of collection or of pursing such debts are too costly and time-consuming when balanced against the likely achievments gained from success.

BUT - what have the following questions got to do with either of the above? :-

What is ADVFN's policy?

Is the value of their Debtor's List sensible or ridiculous?

Haystack - 15 Jan 2007 17:36 - 150 of 168

Well, ADVFN certainly don't havee a very good policy for terminating accounts. There were a series of posts a few years ago from Crocodile. He tried to close his ADVFN account several times. He tried by phone, recorded delivery letter, Email etc. ADVFN just kept collecting his subs from his credit card. He got them to stop in the end, but I can't remember how.

As DocProc says above, members of ADVFN often have to resort to destroying their credit cards or reporting them stolen to get a new credit card number. It seems that there is no easy way to stop a regular payment on a credit card from the credit card end.
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