Velocity
- 20 Jan 2005 21:49
I suspect trading tomorrow will probably answer this conundrum, but I know there are some far wiser owls than me that contribute to this bb & I would be interested in their opinions.
My question is this: the chart below looks to me like a pullback of the uptrend (ie when it went north through 14.00) however I am unsure as it has now broken down through 14.00 whether this is trending up or down :-(
So what do you think - up or down, or should I just flip a coin :-)) ?
hlyeo98
- 28 Jan 2010 11:08
- 131 of 960
Hardly any reversion at all.
Chris Carson
- 28 Jan 2010 11:43
- 132 of 960
Moved my stop to target 250.0 if I get stopped out I aint complaining:o)
Balerboy
- 28 Jan 2010 13:25
- 133 of 960
hope your right GF, might buy somemore to lower my ave.
hlyeo98
- 28 Jan 2010 14:16
- 134 of 960
Be patient, Balerboy.
Chris Carson
- 28 Jan 2010 15:45
- 135 of 960
Took profits @241.80 +33.4 more than happy with that:o)
halifax
- 28 Jan 2010 15:58
- 136 of 960
heading for 220p
hlyeo98
- 28 Jan 2010 16:05
- 137 of 960
Certainly no hurry to buy EMG now.
halifax
- 28 Jan 2010 16:08
- 138 of 960
Don't think we are thinking of buying.
Balerboy
- 28 Jan 2010 18:03
- 139 of 960
I've stopped thinking altogether..... didn't see any of this coming, going to sit in a dark room with a crate of beer....
ptholden
- 28 Jan 2010 20:04
- 140 of 960
'M' and 'W' formations are generally reliable formations, gives a reasonable indication of what is coming next - can be a bit subjective of course as with all TA and especually hindsight!!
HARRYCAT
- 01 Feb 2010 12:19
- 141 of 960
From today's FT blog:
"OVERSOLD RSI IN EMG, HAVENT EVER SEEN THEM THIS FAR BELOW THE LOWER LINES, STORY DOING THE ROUNDS THIS MORN THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT MARSHALL WACE SHOULD BE TAKEN WELL.
[Marshall Wace is largely another black box trading system.]
There was an interesting note out of Shore Capital late on Friday looking at why Man's AHL fund has been stinking the place out.
"We visited the product specialist at AHL yesterday to try and understand more about the recent poor performance figures that have resulted in a drawdown for 2009 of c18%. This performance has become an area of intense focus for investors in Man Group given that it accounts for more than 50% of group management fees. The share price reacted very poorly to both the recent Q3 update and the weekly publication of AHL figures that saw a weekly drawdown of c3.57%. The last two sets of weekly performance figures from AHL have shown an NAV fall of some 5% which reduces earning by some c2.5% and yet the share price has fallen some 20%. The conclusion one can draw from the share price reaction is that there are growing concerns that AHL is broken, hence our discussion with the group.
The first thing to state in favour of AHL is that it has consistently told investors in AHL that it will not always make a positive return and although 2009 was a bad year it fell within their return distribution.
Secondly, no changes are planned although, as we might expect, the company continues to invest in its research pipeline.
Finally can 2009 performance be explained and the answer is yes quantitative easing and government intervention dented performance in 2009, both of which are likely to cease when economies start to function better.
Therefore, what can we expect for AHL inflows? New to AHL investor will need to see some positive performance before committing funds. Existing investors however, particularly institutional users of managed futures are still willing to increase funds on a mean reversion basis. It seems that some investors do buy into AHL on the expectation that the formation of consensus is mean reverting. We concluded that there is little evidence that AHL is broken nor do we detect any palpable sense of panic from the AHL managers. There can be no guarantees that AHLs negative performance will end tomorrow but we do detect a belief from AHL that the investment environment will better suit its clean, clear managed futures model in 2010 than it did in 2009. Man Group, having fallen to 237.5p, now trades at 14.9x our 2010F earning falling to 11.6x our 2011 estimated earnings we view the recent falls as an excellent buying opportunity and reiterate our BUY recommendation."
Chris Carson
- 01 Feb 2010 17:51
- 142 of 960
Harry - Actually bought some this morning to tuck away, (gulp) still have a spread bet short running so hedging quite nicely today! Eventually I think this will be a good recovery play.
jkd
- 01 Feb 2010 20:35
- 143 of 960
CC
i do hope your hedging proves better than mine usually is, especialy in same stock. it means timing is more important then ever. when and what level do i remove one of my hedges? and which one? you'll see. aint worth the sweat. call it right and either take profit or sit through pull back/ retracement which always ocurs and then add whilst still in profit and in direction of trend. but to hedge and be both long and short same stock makes for my not being able to think clearly.i've tried it and it dont work for me. we are all different and this is just my own personal opinion.
regards and good luck
jkd
Chris Carson
- 01 Feb 2010 22:50
- 144 of 960
jkd - Your absoluteley right, many thanks for your thoughts. To be honest I actually own very few stocks, I prefer to trade CFD's and spreadbet these markets since the downturn. Last Thursday I closed my short (spreadbet) @ 241.80 for + 33.4. Friday (being a greedy so and so) opened a new SB short @ 236 Initial target 225.0 stop 246.0, chances are unless Indices tank overnight I will probably get stopped out early doors. I bought 691 shares @ 236.8 this morning to tuck away and keep hopefully medium to long term (for my granddaughter). I will continue to use SB's Cfd's to trade the stock in the future. I can assure you that the fact the stock rose today was no great aforethought or great timing on my part, I just got lucky! Cheers!
jkd
- 01 Feb 2010 23:29
- 145 of 960
CC
your granddaughter is a very lucky lady to have such a thoughtfull and caring person
such as you to be thinkng of her welfare.
best regards to you
jkd
Chris Carson
- 02 Feb 2010 01:02
- 146 of 960
jkd - Many Thanks!
Balerboy
- 02 Feb 2010 08:18
- 147 of 960
oh come on you two.....i'm trying to eat my breakfast... what is this, the mutal grooming society.....lol
Chris Carson
- 02 Feb 2010 09:13
- 148 of 960
Who asked you-knobhead? :o)
hlyeo98
- 02 Feb 2010 18:15
- 149 of 960
I have a feeling that we are not at the bottom of this yet.
jkd
- 02 Feb 2010 18:58
- 150 of 960
must admit it is not considered polite to interupt a private conversation.;-)
what goes around comes around so it is said ;-) didnt take long .
good luck and best regards to all.
jkd