Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Skinny,

Are you referring to the coalition's interpretations of data. If so, which departments, or is it all of them. To me, many of the present political "masters", use distortion to avoid their own culpabilities.

By the way, facts are facts and can't be distorted. They may be presented in a different ways.

The inferences drawn, may be distortions of the truth, which is the practice of many of the present political leaders who could have stuck to their original "professions".

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I cannot see why George looked so happy about the deal he has done with Virgin.

I appears he is selling off the good parts of a company at a loss and keeping the bad parts at an increasing cost to the tax payer.


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Sorry Fred - I thought we were quoting M Twain.

In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language

Skinny,

I not sure if you are quoting me or not.

But I have had that experience many times.

Come to think about it, I have had the same experience talking to my wife and children in English.

:-)

One for the purists - Berlusconi launches love songs album

Italy's former prime minister and cruise-ship crooner Silvio Berlusconi released an album of love songs on his last day in office on Wednesday.

If Fred feel's so strongly about Capitalism why does he invest on the stockmarket ? or the casino as he would call it.

Talks the talk, can't walk the walk.

A NUN WAS SITTING AT THE MADRID AIRPORT , WAITING FOR HER FLIGHT TO ALICANTE . SHE LOOKED OVER IN THE CORNER AND SAW ONE OF THOSE WEIGHT MACHINES THAT TELLS YOUR FORTUNE AND THOUGHT TO HERSELF, 'I'LL GIVE IT A TRY AND SEE WHAT IT TELLS ME.'

SHE WENT OVER TO THE MACHINE, STEPPED UP ON THE SCALE AND PUT HER NICKEL IN ; OUT CAME A CARD THAT READ, 'YOU ARE A NUN, YOU WEIGH 128 LBS, AND YOU ARE GOING TO ALICANTE .'

THE NUN SAT BACK DOWN. SHE TOLD HERSELF THAT THE MACHINE PROBABLY GIVES THE SAME CARD TO EVERYONE. THE MORE SHE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THE MORE CURIOUS SHE GOT SO SHE DECIDED TO TRY IT AGAIN SHE WENT BACK TO THE MACHINE AND AGAIN PUT HER NICKEL IN, AND OUT CAME A CARD THAT READ :

'YOU ARE A NUN, YOU WEIGH 128 LBS, YOU ARE GOING TO ALICANTE AND YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY A FIDDLE ..'

THE NUN SAYS TO HERSELF, 'I KNOW THAT IS WRONG, I HAVE NEVER PLAYED A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT EVEN ONCE IN MY LIFE.' SHE SAT BACK DOWN.

FROM OUT OF NOWHERE A COWBOY CAME OVER AND SAT DOWN, PUTTING HIS FIDDLE CASE ON THE SEAT BETWEEN THEM. WITHOUT THINKING, SHE OPENED THE COWBOY'S CASE, TOOK OUT THE FIDDLE, AND STARTED PLAYING BEAUTIFUL MUSIC. SURPRISED AT WHAT SHE HAD DONE, SHE LOOKED OVER AT THE MACHINE, THINKING,'THIS IS INCREDIBLE, I'VE GOT TO TRY THIS AGAIN.'

BACK TO THE MACHINE SHE WENT, PUT IN ANOTHER NICKEL, AND ANOTHER CARD CAME OUT. IT READ, 'YOU ARE A NUN, YOU WEIGH 128 LBS , YOU ARE GOING TO ALICANTE AND YOU ARE GOING TO BREAK WIND.' NOW SHE KNOWS THE MACHINE IS WRONG, AS SHE THOUGHT TO HERSELF, 'I'VE NEVER BROKEN WIND IN PUBLIC A SINGLE TIME IN MY LIFE.' BUT GETTING DOWN OFF THE MACHINE SHE SLIPPED, AND AS SHE WAS STRAINING TO KEEP HERSELF FROM FALLING TO THE FLOOR, SHE BROKE WIND.
ABSOLUTELY STUNNED, SHE SAT BACK DOWN AND LOOKED AT THE MACHINE. SHE SAID TO HERSELF, 'THIS IS TRULY REMARKABLE. I'VE GOT TO TRY THIS AGAIN.' SHE WENT BACK TO THE MACHINE,PUT IN ANOTHER NICKEL And ANOTHER CARD CAME OUT.






IT READ: 'YOU ARE A NUN, YOU WEIGH 128 LBS, YOU HAVE FIDDLED AND FARTED AROUND AND MISSED YOUR FLIGHT TO ALICANTE .

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Gamburtsev 'ghost mountains mystery solved'

Scientists say they can now explain the existence of what are perhaps Earth's most extraordinary mountains.

The Gamburtsevs are the size of the European Alps and yet they are totally buried beneath the Antarctic ice.

Hilary,

You say, "Of course those millions have a say, unless they live in Zimbabwe, they will have elected their government.".
But when we vote, we can only vote for what any particular party has in it's manifesto, then our next vote is 4 years away, so whatever the elected government do in between, we can do little about.
I voted for the common market, as I believed in a better system with less trading barriers, I did not vote for what we have now which is unrecognizable from that first free trade agreement, and neither did million of others, so how can you state that we can take it up with our governments.
Even when we have a chance to vote a government out, we are often then left with a new government that has taken over the outgoing governments policies.
In your post to me, you are still going on about the banks, financial sectors being not to blame.
As my previous post stated, I do agree with you to a point, as I blame the governments far more than the financial system, due to the said governments being the ruling bodies that allowed them to get away with it.
Anybody that believe that we are a truly democratic country, has their head in the sand.
MP's can and do now lie in parliament with almost total impunity.

Greek.

Aids.

I bet in the market with the hope of making money.
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For me it is betting, because when I enter, or exit the market I have only a limited knowledge of the information available about any company, derivative or commodity etc. that I purchase, or sell.
However, in that, it is not complete knowledge the decisions made and actions taken are gambles.
There is obviously a skill in obtaining and interpreting of that information before dealing.
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It is not the principle of capitalism that I object to; it is the abuse of capitalism which irritates me.
To many, one of fundamental principal characteristics of the market is that it is considered to be "Amoral". That principle can be extended to many "investors", traders, vulture fund managers etc., and appears to give them permission to advantage themselves disproportionally to society as a whole, ie. Benefit for the successful, is at the expense of the less successful.
Greed is the dominant trait of those taking part.
The problem is that society is made up of individuals and individuals at the end of the day, for a reasonable existence depends society being reasonably content with its self.
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Think of the so call revolution in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya etc. and possibly the discontent being shown by organised labour in this country.
Think of the winter of discontent
Or just think.
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Also, it seems to me, that when examined the premises which many economic capitalist theories are built upon are questionable.
Initially, I was sucked into believing in them, I know have more doubt.

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N.

The system was there.

Many individuals thought they could make a fast buck, flogging houses , shares, their girl friend or mothers.

When it turned sour, they blamed the bankers, the government etc.

Of course, if the government of the days could have brought in restrictions on the market they "should" have.

Bur with the fast buck mentality of the market place at that time, could they have?

Our Hill would have been screeching at them for interfering with her rights, or at least the market's. 8-)

If one does the action, accept the responsibility.

(The warning my dad gave me a very long time ago.)

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/money/3942620/David-Camerons-teen-job-plans-rubbish.html

I say the conservatives should bring back Mick Portilo into politics and government as the PM and make Ken Clarke the Chancellor. Its obvious to a blind man that Cameron and Osbourne lack leadership especially in Europe.

Anyone been listening to Radio 5 Live, woman just been on called Heather, thought i was cynical, she was something else :O) (wasn't you was iit mnahreh?)

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It was you then :O)

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I think it is interesting to see Cameron and Osborne, the two pillocks of British capitalism rushing off to Europe to instruct the Germans and France to pour money into the market, in order to deviate attention from their own policy failures.

Bankrupt yourselves to save Britain, but we don't want anything to do with you and you are useless anyway. Anything we can do to dismantle the EU we will do.

The Cameron rhetoric, for the consumption of the Euro-phobic tory back-benchers in the tory party, is an attempt to save his own skin and goes down like a lead balloon n Europe.

If the pair don't stop preaching to Europe as if they are still in the "colonial age", I wonder when Europe will turn their back on Britain and British needs.

Germany's secret plans to derail a British referendum on the EU

Germany has drawn up secret plans to prevent a British referendum on the overhaul of the European Union amid concerns it could derail the eurozone rescue package, leaked documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph disclose.