Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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Gamburtsev 'ghost mountains mystery solved'

Scientists say they can now explain the existence of what are perhaps Earth's most extraordinary mountains.

The Gamburtsevs are the size of the European Alps and yet they are totally buried beneath the Antarctic ice.

Hilary,

You say, "Of course those millions have a say, unless they live in Zimbabwe, they will have elected their government.".
But when we vote, we can only vote for what any particular party has in it's manifesto, then our next vote is 4 years away, so whatever the elected government do in between, we can do little about.
I voted for the common market, as I believed in a better system with less trading barriers, I did not vote for what we have now which is unrecognizable from that first free trade agreement, and neither did million of others, so how can you state that we can take it up with our governments.
Even when we have a chance to vote a government out, we are often then left with a new government that has taken over the outgoing governments policies.
In your post to me, you are still going on about the banks, financial sectors being not to blame.
As my previous post stated, I do agree with you to a point, as I blame the governments far more than the financial system, due to the said governments being the ruling bodies that allowed them to get away with it.
Anybody that believe that we are a truly democratic country, has their head in the sand.
MP's can and do now lie in parliament with almost total impunity.

Greek.

Aids.

I bet in the market with the hope of making money.
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For me it is betting, because when I enter, or exit the market I have only a limited knowledge of the information available about any company, derivative or commodity etc. that I purchase, or sell.
However, in that, it is not complete knowledge the decisions made and actions taken are gambles.
There is obviously a skill in obtaining and interpreting of that information before dealing.
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It is not the principle of capitalism that I object to; it is the abuse of capitalism which irritates me.
To many, one of fundamental principal characteristics of the market is that it is considered to be "Amoral". That principle can be extended to many "investors", traders, vulture fund managers etc., and appears to give them permission to advantage themselves disproportionally to society as a whole, ie. Benefit for the successful, is at the expense of the less successful.
Greed is the dominant trait of those taking part.
The problem is that society is made up of individuals and individuals at the end of the day, for a reasonable existence depends society being reasonably content with its self.
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Think of the so call revolution in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya etc. and possibly the discontent being shown by organised labour in this country.
Think of the winter of discontent
Or just think.
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Also, it seems to me, that when examined the premises which many economic capitalist theories are built upon are questionable.
Initially, I was sucked into believing in them, I know have more doubt.

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The system was there.

Many individuals thought they could make a fast buck, flogging houses , shares, their girl friend or mothers.

When it turned sour, they blamed the bankers, the government etc.

Of course, if the government of the days could have brought in restrictions on the market they "should" have.

Bur with the fast buck mentality of the market place at that time, could they have?

Our Hill would have been screeching at them for interfering with her rights, or at least the market's. 8-)

If one does the action, accept the responsibility.

(The warning my dad gave me a very long time ago.)

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/money/3942620/David-Camerons-teen-job-plans-rubbish.html

I say the conservatives should bring back Mick Portilo into politics and government as the PM and make Ken Clarke the Chancellor. Its obvious to a blind man that Cameron and Osbourne lack leadership especially in Europe.

Anyone been listening to Radio 5 Live, woman just been on called Heather, thought i was cynical, she was something else :O) (wasn't you was iit mnahreh?)

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It was you then :O)

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I think it is interesting to see Cameron and Osborne, the two pillocks of British capitalism rushing off to Europe to instruct the Germans and France to pour money into the market, in order to deviate attention from their own policy failures.

Bankrupt yourselves to save Britain, but we don't want anything to do with you and you are useless anyway. Anything we can do to dismantle the EU we will do.

The Cameron rhetoric, for the consumption of the Euro-phobic tory back-benchers in the tory party, is an attempt to save his own skin and goes down like a lead balloon n Europe.

If the pair don't stop preaching to Europe as if they are still in the "colonial age", I wonder when Europe will turn their back on Britain and British needs.

Germany's secret plans to derail a British referendum on the EU

Germany has drawn up secret plans to prevent a British referendum on the overhaul of the European Union amid concerns it could derail the eurozone rescue package, leaked documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph disclose.

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Very good point Fred.

I know people didnt rate Brown, but give him his dues he was their on the spot working with everyone in the World to sort out the global disaster. its as if Cameron and Osbourne want to just look on and say its nothing to do with us.

Thats not the type of attitude and stance we should be taking as a nation as a global leader.

Best thing the conservatives could do ids to get Mick Portilo back into politics and to dump cameron and place him at the top.

As for the liberals now on 7% ......... I give up.

So the rescue package has a leak!.

As for Cameron and his, 'time to regain powers to the UK in exchange for agreeing to back other plans.
I have no doubt that he will succeed in getting some powers back, but I bet that he gives far more away than he gains.
I read a few days ago that the UK has never been in such a strong position in the EU for many years. I will believe that when I see it.
I also read that Cameron could return triumphant in the manner of Gladstone, with a peace in our time paper waving moment.
A heavyweight in Europe, they must be joking.
Its the Germans and French who are the Klitskos of this world, with the British mere flyweights.

http://vegassharps.com/vitali-klitschko-vs-wladimir-klitschko-odds/

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/File:Hernan_Marquez.jpg

Mind you, I would love Cameron to give the Germans a bloody nose, metaphorically speaking of course.

Hi Greek,

Love that comment 'I would love Cameron to give the Germans a bloody nose'
very British old chap what :O) Triple A credit rating, despite the lefties protestations we still have it. If those barm pots (scottish mafia) were still in charge would be in shreds now, so let's not forget it eh! :O)

Chris,

Spiffying post old boy, don't you know.

I just hope Cameron keeps the British stiff upper lip during the talks on further capitulation to the Germans.

Edit. Sorry should read 'Negotiations with the Germans'.

G F.

Before the last General Election, I thought the Liberals had become "woolly" again, but still had a lot of respect for some of its leading lights.

I thought our "Vince" spoke a lot of economic sense and was moderate and agreed with of his most of his unwisely stated "off the cuff" remarks. At the least, he seemed to be recognise and concerned and with the present economic problems and was attempting to consider society as a whole, when seeking resolutions to current problems, rather than denigration of others political figures and countries.

I was disappointed with the decisions made by the Liberal party leadership in entering the so called "coalition", but probably understand their motivation for doing so. (I had a feeling of disappointment with the some of the policy beliefs relinquished by the Liberals.)

I still think he is a "thinking" politician who understands the economic situation we are in, and would prefer him to be negotiating UKs future in Europe for Britain rather than Osborne.

Perhaps, a genuine full blown temporary "coalition" government, with the power and strength to overrule the extremes of all the parties may be a solution.

Just heard the Cameroon speaking in Europe stating he wished for renegotiation of European with less regulation and financial integration.
Bloody marvellous! The last UK government was blamed for its laxity of regulation of the financial markets. Bring back piracy.

What is needed in more fiscal integration of Europe, which I think will come.

Also, what is needed is more regulation to curb the extremes of the market and probably to restrict the power of the money lenders to push the market around at whim to make a few more bucks, while hiding away in various tax havens around the world.


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.The Tobin tax would address some of the volatility in the market and long overdue.

Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result

The collaboration behind the finding in September that neutrinos may travel faster than light has carried out an improved version of their experiment - and found the same result.

Skinny,

Do you think any of the "light" could percolate through to Brussels.

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It was good to hear an interview a couple of nights ago with the Danish Prime Minister, the next President of the Council of the European Union, when she spoke of an inclusive integrated Europe, rather than the fragmented Europe which some in the UK seem to wish for.

But, I wish the various structures and the organisation bodies within the governing bodies of Europe could be simplified.

Trying to work out, who does what, when or why is a minefield.