Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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It is nice to know our PM is squeaky clean and has put the expense scandal behind him.

Pity about his past pruning.

http://www.channel4.com/news/pm-s-private-land-deal-with-lobbyist-raises-questions

Is he claiming his "unemployment or sickness benefit" to pay for the below?

Now, I know where my Taxes are going.

In 2001, Mr Cameron paid 650,000 for his constituency home - a purchase aided by around 150,000 in parliamentary expenses. When Mr Cameron bought this home, he also acquired a patch of land up the lane. This was separated from the main house by a driveway and garages belonging to a cottage opposite.

From inspection of Land Registry documents, Channel 4 News found that in November last year, Conservative peer and Tory donor Lord Chadlington, who owns a large manor house nearby, bought the cottage for 715,000, thereby taking ownership of the driveway and garages which ran across the prime minister's land.

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Am I mistaken, or it it "hands back in the tills"?

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Not fit for purpose comes to mind.

PS.

It is good to see the tories are led by such an upright pillock and a man who believes in the NHS, "family values" and the "Big Society".

Mind as such a successful international leader and statesman we should ignore his little "weaknesses".

Fred1new-----------The fact that you were an ex miner may lead people to think that there is a certain amount of bias in your postings/rantings regarding the Tories.
2517

The whole point of the UKIP is to get us out of The Evil Empire; many of its members would be happy if it was disolved after that aim had been achieved. It seems that the UKIP now has a higher rating in the polls than the Lib Dems.

Merkel has called for the EU to "complete economic and monetary union and build political union" My father killed Germans to prevent that happening.

She has already replaced the Greek prime minister with a former vice-president of the european central bank and stopped them having a referendum and she also replaced the Italian prime minister with a former European commissioner. These two Merkel appointments were two of the eurocrats that caused the disaster in the first place. They prioritised the survival of the euro and deliberately overlooked the debt criteria to admit Greece and Italy.

I am only surprised that Cameron didn't return from his recent meeting with her waving a piece of paper saying she had promised not to stage another coup d'etat and promised not to install any more Vichy governments.

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Fred, Big Society!, thought the dick head had ditched that?.

Was doomed to failure anyway.

What person in their right mind is going to be made redundant by the council and lose thier job and then take up what they were previously paid for on a voulantry basis.

Cameron is a bloody fantasy merchant. Hes way out of touch, but then again I suppose If I was given everything from birth and had no money worries id be the same.

Get Mick Portilo and Ken Clarke running the economy or put in a labour government I say. The conservatives have lost the female vote and the student vote, that will spell disaster at the next elections if we get that far.

I reckon this coalition have at best another 18 months and the wet liberals will bring it down.

The rank and file libs are already up in arms about their 7% share of the vote.

Seething is the word at my local Lib club, ales rank aswel.

Mnamreh,

I for one believe that this nonsense plan, is being seriously considered by Germany, with perhaps shared power with their new found friends the French.

I have read several reports that state that the only way to save the Euro and the Eu as it stands is by a Dictatorial fiscal plan, whereby budgets, tax plans and all other fiscal bodies are dictated and run by a central body, with countries loosing their own sovereignty in these matters.

I for one am certain that this policy will never get of the ground due to the general populace not standing for it, but that does not mean these proposals are not being proposed.

Remember the pen is mightier than the sword.

I must remember that the next time I get inside a boxing ring, left jab, right hook, No hit him with my Parker.

Stephanie Flanders is really busy up on twitter today.

Cant make my mind up if Id give her one or not. bit bow legged. Think id go for a yes vote.

Now Emily Mateless, wow fantastic legs and looks a bit of a nympho. Wouldnt turn that away. No chance.


Fiona Bruce looks a cracker aswel but Ive heard she can be a real tempremental type.

Mind still wouldnt say no.

BBCStephanie Stephanie Flanders

Markets and the euro 'end game' .............http://bbc.in/t4lBzO

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This_is_me

Good post

Goldfinger

Still like to see William Hague as PM

Anybody still remember Tony Blair's " Big Talk " , how much did that cost the tax payer ? Blair & Brown the nightmare team [ not that Brown was ever a team player ]

mnamreh

It wasn't Alzheimers , it was to much guinness. Didn't know they allowed it inside Ford Open.

"Don't get me wrong: Etonians can be lovely people." Telegraph editor says David Cameron is a pompous git.

http://wp.me/p3uYA-1i3

Goldfinger? Hmmm? Smelly finger, more like. :-)

Aldwick, you seem to be forgetting most of us had prosperous times under most of the last labour governments reign. I certainly never had it better. And please dont forget

1. 2008 Oct .... Osbourne..... we believe we should have less bank regulation.

2. 2008 Sept... Cameron, we will match labour for on spending in the economy.

I have to say at heart I am a conservative a capitalist, but Cameron and Osbourne make me feel uneasy very uneasy.

Yes Hague I would have before Cameron any day.

You can trust me. I used to be the Deputy Mayor.

Mnamreh,

You say, 'Greek - if you (and they) know populations won't 'stand for it', why would it still be considered?

If you look at Greece as one example. It has been imposed on them by the EU that their own government have little to no power on any Greek fiscal policy, so the EU went a step further than considering.
If you look at the way this has gone down in Greece, they are definitely 'not standing for it', and the violence we are seeing there, will get much worse.
If we as a country had a referendum on leaving the EU and the vote was carried, the EU have already stated, that once a country has signed into the pact, there is no mechanism for them to leave, so 'We would not be allowed to leave'
I doubt very much that we would stand for that.
Most dictatorships, and that is how I would class the EU, have through history considered just how far they can go, and we all know the final outcomes.
So they will consider pushing until they can push no more and then finally admit defeat.
So in answer to your question, Just because something is bound to fail, does not mean it won't be considered.
Also I did not say that the politicians know we won't stand for it, as I believe some of them do, just that I know the populous won't.

2517,

I worked underground for short periods only (university vacations) and that was over 50 years ago.

My father worked for over fifty years in the mining industry. When he was six years old, his father who was another miner died/killed at the age of approximately thirty five years of age

My father left school at 12 years of age and started to working in the mining industry. I won't go into the details, but he obtained his qualifications to act as a colliery manager before he was 21years of age.

Subsequent to that, he worked as an official and colliery manager, for approximately thirty years he was a colliery manager of one of the few profitable pits in the UK. (He also paid some of the highest wages in the country.) (Even under Nationalisation of the Mines) (He didnt have a strike in his last thirty years.)

So, you are perfectly correct I have a bias, which I am well aware of.

The unions, with all their mistakes, were responsible for the improvement in working and health and safety issues (conditions) in the mining and other heavy industries. They were also responsible for improvement in training and improvement in wages, health care and recognition of human rights and dignity.

The relationship in the mining industry between the employers and workforce prior to WW2 were appalling and bear relationship to some views posted on this thread.

The attitudes belonged to that of a lauded traditional society, simply put born to rule. Remember your place. (You are a labourer and your children will be labourers.) (or, you dont know what you are talking about and your opinions dont count etc.)

Unfortunately, because the leadership of the unions had experience the above and other insults, they had developed a rather jaundiced view of some management, (all management) and this effected their negotiation stances.

Therefore, I have awareness of both sides of the coin, i.e. management on workforce.

Also, because of my own professional background exposure and experience appreciate some of the difficulties of both sides.

However, I think the majority of union leadership is now moderate when compared with previous periods, but some of the political leadership (through ignorance), has reverted to Remember your place, etc. once again.

I dont think that the UK population, as a whole, will accept the present the governments policies, when a large portion of them becomes directly affected. I dont want a disharmonious society with its consequences.

Personally, I think I am insulated from the majority of the present economic problems, but less happy about my grandchildrens futures.

I believe in a mixed economy with a thought-out regulated economy, but, I think this, has to include some further redistribution of wealth, equality of expectation and rights, with support for the more inept in society.

I am not a member of any political party (they wouldnt have me), but I think the policies of this coalition party are disastrous and the anti-European rhetoric is naive.