Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

And so wrote the prophets!

Why don't you arrange a coach to take you and the other Hollow Men of history, Cameron and Osborne, to negotiate for England in Brussels.

I am sure you can give them some tips on how to really _____ up any useful outcome.

the best tip for them is resign.and put MARK PRITHARD IN CHARGE

Who?

I say what is this , we are going to leave Europe to the hun..? In the name of st. george I won't have it you rotters!!!
Round up the peasants it's time for a bally war!!! We'll show them Frenchies which side their croissants are buttered! Well after brunch of course mustn't waste this Champers.. recession on.. gotta do our bit.... We are all in this together aren't we afterall! Anyone for a game of thrash the peasant..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2_D93XZEik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA7e3pwQtnM&feature=fvwrel

I would suggest a little more water with your tipple.

Which U-turn to-night!

It is interesting to watch the squirming of Cameron. who appears to be in hock to the City.

The idol of the tories with his feet in clay.

Even Zimbabwe appears less corrupt.

Some amazing pictures from Scotland.

Trust in Prime Ministers.

Lets just look at the last 3.

Tony (I'm a straight sort of guy) Blair.
Gordon (No more boom and bust, prudence) Brown.
Dave (The British people should have a referendum) Cameron.

Even this morning, when the Germans and French announced they were looking at a new EU treaty, Cameron stated that, 'As not even one word has is being changed in the present EU treaty, there is no need for a referendum'.

What a play on words. This is a new treaty, so presumably the previous treaty is worth absolutely nothing.

Surely that also means that the UK can disregard anything from the previous treaty that they wish. After all if we are being sidelined, whats the point in obeying the rules of a club, when you are not a full member.

1914/1918 War.........Allied countries won, Germany lost.

1939/1945 War.........Allied countries won, Germany lost.

20112012..........Germany with the help of France (didn't take them long to change sides) win the peace.

My hope for France is that all this backfires on them, as it surely will if Germany get their way.
If the French think they will end up 50/50 partners, they are fooling themselves, big time.

As for 'No Referendum Cameron, this must be the time to man the barricades, and for a third time fight for our freedom.

has i posted yesterday the eu needs growth you do NOT get growth putting up vat
it destoys companys and people stop buying goods .
the leaders running these countrys are fools .
they need to look back in history and look at M/S those to new the game

So, Britain and Hungary haven't agreed yet.

Are they so important to wait for?
I think they cannot agree without Hungary, so Britain should make her decision!!!

the eu is a one way street and it is not for the brits only for the rest of europe
benefits and services are only for people coming to the uk .
if brits go to europe they will get no help .
ourservices have been drained with one way traffic

It may not be diplomatic, but the UK should tell Germany and France just were to go.
We should only obey those treaty clauses and rules, where we will benefit, and ignore those where we don't.
I can already hear people crying out that this is something we can't do, but just think that many clauses/rules that any new treaty will contain, will be enforced on the UK, by default, even if we do not become a signatory.

We are heading quickly back to the days of Germany and their friends telling other countries including the UK.

'You vil do vot we say, Ya'

Cameron should reply along the lines of, 'Listen carefully, I will say zis only vonce'.

I am inclined to agree with you based on cost/benefit assessment. I think at the end of the day, these are temporary noises which should be ignored. Whatever happens, the world/countries/people will adjust themselves.

In fact, many companies are benefitting from the crises as there is no new investment, no new company or bank result in monopoly.

How many large bank exist in the world which can be relied on by big countries? The number has rapidly declined. That's extremely good for those who survive.

lets get out close our borders send the migrants back home .
then the uk will get back to being a great country not full of migrants
taking benefits that they have never put into .
we do not need a vote we all no the result

Congratulations.

The tories destroyed the manufacturing and heavy industry base of the UK in favour of the Service industries and "city".

This government represents the "City" and is financed by it i.e, in hock to it.

Cameron and Osborne have sacrificed the well-being of the UK and Europe for their political needs.


Some are interested in their legacy or place in history. I would think next to Chamberlain and Bliar.

Europe was fed up with the UK and are probably glad to see back of the UK.

The financial centres will move to from the UK to France and Germany.

Sheer madness and the UK will regret it.

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All I have heard from our gallant heroic duo and the phobic tory right, is "what we want and get from Europe" and "not can we achieve with Europe".

Political adolescence.

I think UK will stay out for now, then come back when details are clearer.

Cameron should understand that the UK will benefit from Euro(pe) as soon as growth come back. No matter if we are in out out, but joining no is better now, when crises are at its peak.

Leave Germany , France and its bust mates to it I say ... come home Cameron.