Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

HUHNE. tomorrow it will say no case

Do what?

BARONESS UDDIN ,why has she not been stripped of her title along with archer
and why as she not been charged.if you fiddle your benefits you are

I continue to think this government is one of the most corrupt in my lifetime.

More and more there appears to be one law for the elite and another for the rest.

Tax evasions, (avoidance) by hacks of the party leaders, tax avoidance by members of the cabinet, many of whom can base their "success" on inherited money.

Cash accounts in far of territories.

But, I think the hypocrite who is posturing as the leader of "we are all in it together", thinks he is sitting on his own thiefdom.

Talking of corruption, I see that slippery toad Mandelson is at it again, hiding the source of his outside income. He is certainly one shady character.

Fred--re corruption, that was my view of the last labour government, and hopefully it will be the last labour government.
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George - I think some on here have one view of labour!

On edit :- and of the tories come to that!

Very good skinny.
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It takes an act of Parliament to strip a Peer of his/her title.

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"I see that slippery toad Mandelson is at it again, hiding the source of his outside income. He is certainly one shady character."

Perhaps, he is learning from the present cabinet about personal exposures.

I would like to see the "we are all in it together" party disclose their full incomes and tax situations for the present and last 5years.


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I see India didn't want to buy anything of Dell Boy's barrow. Perhaps, they don't trust him.

The major problem we have in this country is that none of the people running it, be they politicians, civil servants, union leaders, or, for that matter, employees in large public or private organisations have got the least clue about wealth generation.They have no clue because they have no experience of it. Every private company boss that I know - and I know a lot, especially in technology - thinks the same.

If any of these good folks, Mr Cameron and Mr Milliband included, can sit in my chair, do my job and make the company payroll for 12 successive months, in full and on time, then they can instruct me. Until then, they can all STFU.

"It takes an act of Parliament to strip a Peer of his/her title." Correct but then we already knew that, The Q. is What are they waiting for?

Fred, I think old Mandy was well and truely shady long before DC came to power. 'Got some money for a mortgage mate'

As for DC and co they have not lived up to their pre-election hype, but then again who does. We are fed lies, we vote for liars, so why are we surprised.
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No, the major problem in this country is that most large Employers are more interested in the excesses of Greed (and always have been) that's why Trade Unions and then the Labour party were started. If L. Employers over the years had led by example (a good one for a change) then society would work much better.

Sorry, Stan, but that really is a load of old toffee. You're talking about 100 years ago. Trade unions are almost hopelessly irrelevant in today's world. Ten minutes of the dreadful Bob Crow's rantings and his throwback RMT union is illustration enough.

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I may be thick, but for the life of me I could not see what was wrong, immoral, sinful illegal, or corrupting about him borrowing money from a friend in order to buy a house. .

Probably, I am missing something.

I am not surprised by politicians being often short on the truth. It is the blatancy of this present political hierarchy who are so prepared to lie and misrepresent the truth on the NHS, Well fare reform and education, etc.

At the same time portraying themselves as saving the country for all, rather than as ther appear to be doing of pillaging the country for themselves.

All areas of the state and economy have to evolve and change and sometimes the previous excesses modified or contained, but the crew, in charge at present, are being destructive to society and together with their economic policies and international policies are going to create a period of chaos.




Extreme actions often result in sever back lashes.

Again the latter are destructive.

I may be thick, but for the life of me I could not see what was wrong, immoral, sinful illegal, or corrupting about him borrowing money from a friend in order to buy a house.

Probably, I am missing something.

Fred

Mandelson had bought a home in Notting Hill in 1996 with the assistance of an interest-free loan of £373,000 from Geoffrey Robinson, a millionaire Labour MP who was also in the Government, and subject to an inquiry into his business dealings by Mandelson's department.

Mandelson contended that he had deliberately not taken part in any decisions relating to Robinson.

However, he should have declared the loan in the Register of Members' Interests and he resigned on 23 December 1998.

Mandelson had also not declared the loan to his building society (the Britannia), when he applied for funds from them to supplement those already obtained from Robinson. The Britannia decided not to take any action, with the CEO stating "I am satisfied that the information given to us at the time of the mortgage application was accurate."

This was clearly not correct and such an application from a more normal member of the general public would have been considered illegal at the time and might well have invited prosecution for trying to obtain funds under false pretences. However, the actual chance of this occurring would have been extremely low.

So this was potentially illegal in most people's opinion and quite definitely immoral on at least two counts, once again in most people's opinion too.

Mandelson initially thought he could weather the press storm, but had to resign when it became clear that the Prime Minister thought nothing else would clear the air.

On 16 October 2000 it was reported that Robinson "accused Peter Mandelson of lying to the Commons about the home loan affair that cost both of them their Government jobs."

Illegal and immoral imo

but the blairite govt lloked after one of their own

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huhne will not be charged