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Energy Technique - One of the Best Bargains. (ETQ)     

moneyman - 12 Mar 2003 20:00

At 12p this looks a great BUY.Remember after the deal with Suvair this shot to around 30p ! Next news I am sure will be the announcement of some major deals.Fill up at this level.

GIDRUTH - 03 Jul 2005 21:28 - 177 of 334

This share has got to be undervalued. ETQ's core business seems on the up what with more staff and larger premises. Also the SP was valued far higher than this prior to the nightingale product and now the core of their business is doing better than it was before the nightingale. With or without the nightingale the 3p mark is well off the mark.
I got into this because some of my patients developed complications of MRSA and as a health care worker I know that it is impossible to barrier nurse someone effectively unless the air is decontaminated. This cannot be done by fumigation because you would have to close down a ward and evacuate all the patients and staff to carry this process out. ETQ's solution is a good one, all it requires is recognition and acceptance. I believe that a version of the product should be available to Virgin airlines British Airways GP rooms, basically anywhere that people meet and have the potential to contaminate each other, I feel concerned regarding other conditions such as SARS. I look forward to ETQ's results.

Sharesure - 05 Jul 2005 17:20 - 178 of 334

Gidruth, Interesting comment. The Basingstoke Hospital trial must be concluded soon; IMO the NHS is taking alot of suppliers for a ride, free trials and then loads of red tape before the gov. release any money. I think the mgt must be nearing making an announcement from my contacts there.

GIDRUTH - 08 Jul 2005 17:16 - 179 of 334

I've posted this on Adven's free BB as well. I think that what the NHS have yet to realise is that Hospitals have enjoyed a period of successful antibiotic treatment for their patients. As such, previously if someone developed an infection within the hospital environment, (such as MRSA), routine hygiene methods plus antibiotic therapy worked together effectively to reduce cross infection. Now that antibiotics no longer have the same impact, it has taken away a vital part of the cross infection defence system. Simply washing more is good but it will not be enough. That's why I like the Nightingale product.
A hospital ward is a bit like a fish tank, its a closed environment. Unless someone changes the water in the fish tank, sooner or later unwanted bacteria will grow. With the ward it's the same, unless someone changes the air in the ward to a pathogen neutral zone it too will start to develop unwanted bacteria.
As said before the NHS has got away with it for this long because of antibiotic treatment, they no longer have that luxuary.
The NHS has a long history of being slow on the uptake for new products. Penicillin was used in American hospitals well before it was introduced into British hospitals at the cost of many lives.
The good thing is that once the NHS accept that something works they tend to use it all the time. As such if the Nightingale proves itself to be efficient against the cross infection fight within the clinical arena, they will introduce them into hospitals. As such there is still a great potential for the nightingale product.

Global Nomad - 09 Jul 2005 12:01 - 180 of 334

nice to have you join us with your insights Gidruth

GIDRUTH - 10 Jul 2005 22:35 - 181 of 334

Thanks Global Nomad.
The good thing about this share is that it is an 'ethical buy'. People are presently suffering and dying due to conditions such as MRSA. This product could prevent this from happening. It can help prevent it without the use of invasive drugs, that no longer work anyway.
Lets clean our Hospitals up and start saving lives !

GIDRUTH - 15 Jul 2005 19:46 - 182 of 334

Quite a lot of buys going through today, no sells. I wonder if someone knows something about the results that are due ?

Sharesure - 15 Jul 2005 22:50 - 183 of 334

Think the buys must mean that they are close to announcing some strategic changes plus some good orders that they are supposed to have won with a major housebuilder.

akel44 - 16 Jul 2005 10:31 - 184 of 334

Sharesure
this as happened on several occasions over the last month or two
and all to no avail,lets hope this time its for real,

Sharesure - 16 Jul 2005 12:50 - 185 of 334

Akel44 : Agreed. Some companies just don't seem to have a full set of dynamic directors. Concerned that this is one of them at the moment, but hopeful that will change by the time of their AGM which is usually in August/September. I cannot believe that they are all doing all they can to make progress. The CEO seems to be, but as for the rest, in partic. the current chairman, I am trying to keep an open mind but expect to be forming a negative view if there is no sudden burst in strategic initiatives on their best way forward.

GIDRUTH - 16 Jul 2005 22:13 - 186 of 334

I just find it difficult to understand why a company should move to larger premisis, look like there getting in the orders if they are not back on the up ?
The share price, which is about the lowest it's been, seems to be as much as anything else a reflection of the Nightingale product potential. When there is some faith that it will succeed the SP jumps otherwise it slumps. It is not a true reflection of the core business itself.
My faith in this company comes from its core, established business products. The sp was valued far higher than it is now before any mention of the nightingale. The core products seem to be selling. As such it should be worth more now than then. This seems to indicate that the SP is far far to low. Once the Nightingale trial is complete, coupled with core business growth, who knows how far this sp will jump.

Sharesure - 17 Jul 2005 10:55 - 187 of 334

I thought the Basingstoke premises was all about Nightingale and Lifebreath products, leaving West Molesey for the distribution of agency products and bespoke AC & air curtain products. A tidy split which in my view might have been organised as a precursor to dividing and possibly selling West Molesey. I am sure the sp will recover but unless they have a strategy and can show a string of steps successfully achieved the sp will just blip up on RNS' and then subside again.
In my view too many have watched and waited for so long that they are now sceptical of some of the current mgt. I am. I do think that they company has great potential and the sp could really fly but I reckon it needs some Board changes before ETQ will regain any credibility; with the exception of the CEO, who one of their smartest chairman always described as the best CEO of a small cap. company he had ever come across.

Sharesure - 21 Jul 2005 13:31 - 188 of 334

ETQ is attracting more volume and the sp seems to be firming. They need to do some deals to revitalise this company. Does anyone know anything new that they can share on this thread?

akel44 - 21 Jul 2005 21:26 - 189 of 334

Sharesure,the auditors said results were due today, the company
say 6 weeks, hemscott say update today, results 29th july, take your pick

Sharesure - 21 Jul 2005 22:59 - 190 of 334

Doesn't sound too organized! Hope any delay is to include some additional progress as the results are unlikely to be that good in my view. They really need a strategy which will end the drift.

GIDRUTH - 29 Jul 2005 13:05 - 191 of 334

The Protection Agency published results today re hospital infections, makes encouraging readind for those interested in ETQ....

"In July 2004, at the request of the Department of Health (DH), the Health Protection Agency established a rapid review panel to look at future products, materials and techniques that could be used to help prevent the spread of healthcare acquired infections (HCAIs). The review panel has focused its investigations on five key areas that cover all methods of transmission of HCAIs within the hospital environment:

Cleaning, disinfection and decontamination
Fabrics in healthcare
Hand cleansing
Air decontamination

Other technical products including new medical equipment and techniques.
Products reviewed have included disinfectant wipes, wall surface coatings, anti-fungal solutions, nursing uniforms, disposable cubicle curtains, hand-washing systems, sanitisers, AIR PURIFICATION UNITS and catheters."

I don't know of any other company that has their products trialed by the NHS for air purification...

Global Nomad - 29 Jul 2005 13:10 - 192 of 334

I'll have to check back on details, but there was another company that picked up publicity for air treatment. ETQ infamously decided not to take part in the rapid review panel and did not present its products for consideration. It is not clear if they were doing this because they already had trials going.

What is more important is not what they considered but what outcomes they reached. They could have said air treatment is essential or not cost effective......

do you know the relevant info?


GN

Global Nomad - 29 Jul 2005 13:25 - 193 of 334

from the HPA website





The review of products by the Rapid Review Panel (the Panel) is undertaken with the specific intent of assessing potential to reduce healthcare associated infections. The views expressed have no intentional bearing on other applications of the product. Information on many products is submitted to the Panel, where the product was specifically designed for, and/or used in, a different setting. Comments from the Panel are not intended for these applications, and should not be interpreted as such.
Further, unless specifically stated, Panel comments do not imply that the product does not meet its primary claims e.g. of sterilising a particular surface or fabric, even if the view of the Panel is that this has no obvious advantage over existing products or will have minimum impact on reducing or preventing healthcare associated infections.


Recommendations:
1.Basic research and development, validation and recent in use evaluations have shown benefits that should be available to NHS bodies to include as appropriate in their cleaning, hygiene or infection control protocols.
2.Basic research and development has been completed and the product may have potential value; in use evaluations/trials are now needed in an NHS clinical setting.
3.A potentially useful new concept but insufficiently validated; more research and development is required before it is ready for evaluation in practice.
4.Unlikely to be of benefit OR not a significant improvement on equipment/materials/products already available which may contribute to reducing health care associated infection; no further consideration needed.
5.Insufficient clarity/evidence presented to enable full review of the product.
6.An already well established product that does not merit further consideration by the Panel.
The product is not sufficiently related to infection control procedures to merit consideration by the Panel.


Air decontamination
There is little evidence to show that air plays a significant role in the transmission of most healthcare-associated infections. In those cases where airborne transmission is thought to be important, both dilution of pathogens in the air and controlling airflow into, or out of, a room are mechanisms for reducing risk. This can be important for protection of highly vulnerable patients (airborne protective isolation) or protection of staff and visitors inside an isolation room, or other patients, staff and visitors outside an isolation room (airborne source isolation). Ventilation systems can be set-up to control directions of airflow and dilution of airborne pathogens. Such dedicated systems can be expensive. There also exist portable systems that recirculate air within a given space. By means of filtration, ultraviolet light or other methods of killing or trapping micro-organisms, they can reduce airborne levels of pathogens but cannot, by these means alone, control airflow into or out of a room. The quality assurance that a system continues to work as intended is vital for any air decontamination regime.
Reports are available for the following products. Please click on a product to view the report.

Air decontamination products Recommendation
Airfree 3

Air Science IQ Portable Air Purification Unit 2

Biozone Scientific products - air sanitiser 5

Fresh Air UV Air Filter 4

GB Environmental Limited Ultra Violet Air Disinfection Unit 4

Growtech Limited Stinger UV Light Emitter 4

Hydroxyl Radical Device 3

Igrox Limited - Medixair 4

It's all about clean air Electromedia model 35F 2

Kostech Ltd Kostech 2K medical filter 3

PhotocatWorks Ltd LightClean antibacterial
coating and air disinfector system 3

Quest International AirManager 6

Steritrox 600 3

Steritrox Plasmalyser 4

Surrey Diagnostics - airocide 3




http://www.hpa.org.uk/infections/topics_az/rapid_review/reports.htm

Sharesure - 29 Jul 2005 16:11 - 194 of 334

Global Nomad, good find. Re the Annual Results, think these may be more towards September/October time to allow for a more complete commentary on how the year has gone and where ETQ may be going. Perhaps the Basingstoke Hospital results will be known at that time since that is an important element. I would bet the stumbling block is NHS funding, but if the NHS don't do something they will be sued. I was with a lawyer yesterday who was already handling some hospital infection claims.

Sharesure - 29 Jul 2005 16:15 - 195 of 334

Global Nomad, re the argument on whether MRSA is an airborne pathogen or not, I think that that argument is just about won in favour of it being an airborne bug. I think ETQ have always maintained that to be the case but that in conjunction with Nightingale equipment the NHS also need a robust cleaning regime as well.

Global Nomad - 29 Jul 2005 20:04 - 196 of 334

I didn't doubt the mrsa is in part an airborne pathogen issue, only that theres more than mrsa to deal with.

GN

the rise today was better than of late ( hopefully not reversing monday) maybe a small step up on th elong climb.
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