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Falklands Oil and Gas (FOGL) (FOGL)     

Proselenes - 13 Aug 2011 04:53

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required field - 16 Sep 2012 10:40 - 1876 of 2393

Popped across the road for a looksee....and apart from the usual slanging match going on, they or most of them expect a duster...one or two think the 30m rumour might come in...but most because of no leaks expect bad news....well RKH gave no indication before Sealion....so nobody knows anything.....really frustrating...

Proselenes - 16 Sep 2012 10:46 - 1877 of 2393

jbc -Noble are not farmed into the Loligo Tertiary targets.

Noble will want drill data from Scotia, a mid-Cretaceous target they are farmed into.

It would put FOGL into a stunning position. They can pay BOR for their drill data in the South - and use that data with their new 3D coming in 2013.

They will have new 3D over all the Eastern basin as well in 2013.

FOGL, after drilling Scotia, will have drill data logs for Loligo, for Scotia and can get the others from BOR by some kind of agreement for Darwin and Stebbing.

End result is they have drill data on all play types - and then all new 3D over the whole license area's.

They (well Noble) should be able to then come up with a damn good list of top priority targets for 2014 when Noble are the operator.

required field - 16 Sep 2012 12:20 - 1878 of 2393

Could do with an extra drilling slot this year...no possibility of delaying the rig arrival in Norway I presume, later this year ?...

required field - 16 Sep 2012 12:46 - 1879 of 2393

I frankly think that they are going to be mighty unlucky not to encounter any hydrocarbons at all with five targets....now whether any of these targets are commercial or not depends on a bit of luck.....so it's all to play for.....some news should start to emerge now from one source or another....

CortezTheKiller - 16 Sep 2012 13:22 - 1880 of 2393

The fact of the matter is that if it were a duster it wouldn't take this long for them to release an RNS!!!!!!!!!

chuckles - 16 Sep 2012 14:26 - 1881 of 2393

Why?

Wishful thinking, just like all the other thousands of posts of many sites trying to rationalise every single aspect of this drill. But the fact of the matter is that until tomorrow (if they release a RNS) PIs have no idea what the news will be.

But whatever, the outcome, good luck, better to see the gamblers winning as opposed to getting blown up.

HARRYCAT - 16 Sep 2012 14:27 - 1882 of 2393

Hmmmm............. not sure where you get that logic CTK.

cynic - 16 Sep 2012 14:32 - 1883 of 2393

quite right harry .... as i have posted before, it is a market truism that bad figures take longer to add up than good

jbc - 16 Sep 2012 14:39 - 1884 of 2393

its also a market truism that you dont throw good money after bad. At $1,000,000 a day not sure they would hang around instead of getting off to next exploration drill target if it were a duster.

chuckles - 16 Sep 2012 14:53 - 1885 of 2393

Of course they need to hang around, they need to analyse the data, it's all very important information to increase their understanding of the basin geology, even if they haven't found anything.
More wishful thinking

jbc - 16 Sep 2012 15:03 - 1886 of 2393

why do they need to hang around to analyse data? Once the data has been gathered they can probably tell straightaway wether it is generally good or not, and if it wasnt good they wouldnt take a minute longer than they had to. Time is money. On the other hand if there was postive info that might be a reason to conduct further more indepth logging / analysis etc.

chuckles - 16 Sep 2012 15:11 - 1887 of 2393

Ok, you're right

jbc - 16 Sep 2012 15:36 - 1888 of 2393

not saying im right or wrong just speculating. As i said before i have only dipped my toe and dont have a lot invested as others do. However, in my opinion the upside is better value than the downside, and in any sort of gamble and this is exactly what this is, value is key. Searching for value wether it be the bookies pricing up a horse incorrectly or the market pricing up a share price incorrectly is key to investing. They wont alwasy come in but when they do because you found value the payout is much better.

Better to be Long than Short on this one IMO. Shorters have much more to loose on a positive result than Longers on a negative result. All IMO

chuckles - 16 Sep 2012 16:07 - 1889 of 2393

Shorters always have more to lose their downside is infinite whereas bulls know exactly what the downside is (hero to zero).

Stocks cannot be looked at in the same way as horses or any other gambling activities, like poker when trying to find value. The CoS with these drills, as determined by the company or an analyst is a complete crock, whereas the odds with the nags are more easily determined, at least in the most basic way, eg, every horse has a theoretical equal chance. And you'll find that nearly every share is incorrectly priced by the market, you don't need to look very far. At the moment FOGL is over-priced by about 100% in terms of value, tomorrow, that may change.

jbc - 16 Sep 2012 16:21 - 1890 of 2393

You cant determine value simply by working out the NAV as you have mentioned above. You have to work in other variables. In this case future drilling prospects, the overall chance of success at somepoint in the FI. The chance of success in this drill and possible SP rise dependent on various positive outcomes. NAV isnt the same as investing value.

I can also see many scenarios where shorting is better value in respect to share prices. It is nonsensical to say shorters have an unlimited downside, in the vast majority of stocks. BT arent going to double / triple in price overnight.

That is why there is so much value in FOGL because there is a possibility of this and why IMO shorting is bad value in this particular scenario.

chuckles - 16 Sep 2012 16:28 - 1891 of 2393

Who was using NAV? IMO FOGL is overpriced by 100%, doesn't have to be your opinion or anyone elses, but it's mine and which gives a value at which I might consider investing. Good luck in trying to put a current or future value on what FOGL might be worth, so what's the chance of success on the next drill, or the one after? Sorry, but if you're trying to value a wildcat drilling company on normal valuation methodology, then you're trying to balance your gamble with investing. As I said good luck with it.

required field - 16 Sep 2012 16:42 - 1892 of 2393

200 million in the bank.....market cap...200 million....overpriced ?....

jbc - 16 Sep 2012 16:43 - 1893 of 2393

I am not trying to put a value on anything. I am trying to find value. To me putting £50 for example into FOGL with an upside return of £500 or a downside loss of £25 is good value.

Putting £50 into FOGL with a downside loss £500 or an upside return of £25 doesnt seem like value.

cynic - 16 Sep 2012 16:52 - 1894 of 2393

sorry to be patronising, but putting £50 into any share strikes me as being a total waste of time and money, for your unavoidable o'heads - i.e. minimum charges - will be disproportionately high

jbc - 16 Sep 2012 16:59 - 1895 of 2393

it was an example ! To make the analogy easier.
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