I bought some GNG recently at 18p (price now up to 26p) given:

- excellent trading update giving a current year P/E of 8 or 9 on likely 3p-3.5p EPS
- 2.6p historic EPS to 31/3/06 and a historic P/E of 10
- contract wins announced post-IPO in June 2006
- 1.9m of net assets, with 820k of cash, against a 6.8m m/cap
- results to be announced 28th November following the trading update

Here's the trading update:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20061031080000P4198

I gather GNG's CEO and CHairman (both superb English speakers) will be over here next week to tour the City, give press interviews etc.

GNG intended to raise $7m at IPO, but raised only 500k due to terrible matket conditions at the time in June. Despite this they've now announced that they're almost going to meet the broker's estimates as calculated on raising the full $7m.

GNG should now be on course to make around 3p-3.5p EPS this year to March'07. This leaves them on a current year P/E of only around 8 or 9.

Heres their IPO RNS from 23rd June 2006 (the Board of Directors is extremely impressive):

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20060623081500PF52B

This is what GNG do:
GEONG has established itself as one of the market leaders in the Peoples Republic of China in providing content management solution software products and related services for large enterprises. GEONG's flagship product range, the GEONG PortalAge series, is used by the top 5 Chinese banks and 12 out of the top 20 securities firms in China. It is an enterprise server software product which combines a number of optional business solution components and customisation modules that can be used to provide individual solutions for a range of industries including those that require real-time or time critical applications such as internet banking.

Note the wording a range of industries.

In slightly more detail, GNG has a 6.8m m/cap, with 26.12m shares in issue.

GNG made $1.28m post-tax profit for the year to 31/3/06. At $1.87 that's 685k, or 2.6p EPS, for a historic P/E of just 10.

The brokers forecast on IPO was for $1.89m post-tax profit this year to 31/3/07, or around 3.7p EPS, for a P/E of just 7.

And per the pro forma in the prospectus GNG had at 30/4/06 1.9m of net assets, including 820k of cash, against the current 6.8m m/cap. Thus the continuing business making a $1.28m historic profit after tax is valued at just 4.9m.

The prospectus noted that GNG are trading in line, and there's been some excellent announcements post-IPO at the end of June to indicate that things are continuing to go well:

July : a $350k contract win with Huawei-3Com, who employ more than 4,500 people worldwide:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20060724074128PFD9C

October : a $500k contract win with Air China:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20061018071237PC25A

In the same RNS, GNG stated that their solutions "are already being used by Shanghai Airlines and China Travel International and will allow us to gain a larger share in this fast growing sector."

October : core supplier status from IBM:
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20061018071206PB237

November : new contract win with China's Bank of Communication (one of China's "Big Four" banks):
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20061121070205P7788

The reason for the post-IPO fall is some of the pre-IPO $300,000 loan note holders from late 2005 turning their converted stock for a quick profit, and a complete lack of PR. GNG also raised less than they hoped for on IPO because they floated just after the FTSE had dropped calamitously from 6,100 in May to 5,600 - this of course also contributed to the artificial fall in the share price post-IPO.

Note also from the prospectus that 80.16% of the shareholders, including the directors, are locked in for from 6 months to a year, so there are only 5.2m shares in free float, or around 1m worth.

On a 6.8m m/cap, a company making 1m post-tax profit could have rather a long way to go imo. DYOR etc.

Corporate website : http://www.geong.com/Site/Home/EN

Well said dealerdear and cynic.

Sadly the ADFN ramping crew are at the very worst at the moment, desperate to try and claw back massive losses and ramping like made.

As I said earlier :


Proselenes - 06 Jan 2009 08:10 - 283 of 289
Trading update out, which is a little bit disappointing for holders IMV. Lots of puff and whiz about December cash collection, but this is a normal time for payment prior to year end, so you'd expect that.

December (end of year) tends to be a time of lots of contracts, and yet they appear to have picked up just a few small ones.

Also hidden in there is this line "Company believes that this launch will support the sales of PortalAgeTM as well as SmartBoxTM in the current economic climate.

When companies say "in the current economic climate" you know what it means, it means sales are tough, and this is likely shown in the low amount of December orders IMO.

No doubt the ramps and hypes will be out in force today, but its very revealing that one line.......the other stuff is just normal for end of year.

Looks like the ADFN ramping crew are selling out - LOL

Its lucky there are places like MoneyAM where people have realistic opinions and its keeps those who hype in check.

Nice article here from T.M.F - the title says it all :o))

Good mentions for my Asian faves GNG and CHNS (doesn't mention RCG, but you can't win 'em all!):

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/investing/company-comment/2009/03/24/stocks-so-cheap-theyre-nearly-giving-em-away.aspx

"Stocks So Cheap They're Nearly Giving 'em Away
By Steve Scott

Published in Company Comment on 24 March 2009

"China Shoto (LSE: CHNS) looks like another successful and growing business. The Company manufactures and supplies batteries, mainly to the Chinese market. Its recent trading statement revealed that profits in 2008 will be ahead of market expectations and 50% higher than in 2007. There is some bank debt although it looks comfortably manageable at only 23% of the value of total tangible assets. So why does the market value China Shoto at only 2.9 times 2008 earnings, especially when there is a forecast dividend yield of 4.3% on offer?

It's not alone amongst Chinese based companies in that respect. Fast growing and debt free software provider Geong International (LSE: GNG) may be valued at a more realistic 5.2 times expected current year earnings, however this would fall to only 3.9 times earnings if they meet next year's forecast by broker, Seymour Pierce.

Clearly investors are very sceptical about the sustainability and quality of earnings from Chinese companies. That's not helped by high profile disappointments such as Bodisen Biotech (LSE: BODI). But if the market is wrong, then there is clearly huge upside in these shares."

GNG now 22p - keep collapsing...don't listen to Seymour Pierce. For interest, SVS securities is another which give very bad advice...


GEONG profit lower than forecast

Pre-tax profits at enterprise content management software and solutions provider GEONG International will fall short of expectations.

The firm said profits would be 1.6m for the year to the end of March - up 45% on last year but below the 2.2m expected.

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
not yet another chinese company failing to deliver?
what a surprise!

I said it would fail, and it does !!!! You have to be very careful of that rivaldo IMO, blindly ramps crap stocks sometimes, along with Glasshalffull the alter ego.

CHNS is the one to watch in terms of the Chinese companies, that will deliver, but most other Chinese companies are right in the crap.

Surprise, surprise.

Today Seymour Pierce downgrade GNG from BUY to outperform. SELL at 22p.

what's that?
good politico-speak ..... still called as "outperform" but "sell at 22p" ...... have i missed something?????

turnover well up, profit well up but not as high as anticipated, trading excellent despite difficult times for patient investors plus cash in the bank increasing---- I'd call this a good investment. I'm not in at the moment but may well buy back soon.

The current share price is 20p, with a 6.3m m/cap.

Seymour Pierce's new forecasts are:

Y/E 31 March'09 - 4.9p EPS, 1.6m PBT
Y/E 31 March'10 - 6.1p EPS, 2.1m PBT

So the 6.3m m/cap at 20p now plays a likely historic PAT of 1.5m - and maybe a fair amount more - for a historic P/E of 4, plus 3m cash and 10m or more tangible net assets.

I posted this summary on T.M.F for reference a few days ago which sets out the issues raised in the recent trading statement:

http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=11506384

Assuming GNG confirm in their upcoming results:

- a stated minimum historic PBT of 1.6m
- the stated 3m net cash pile
- 10m+ net tangible assets
- a stable outlook
- an order book comprising x plus say 5m+ annual recurring income
- further contract wins

then the current price will look even sillier than it does currently at a 6.3m m/cap.

The chart says it all for Geong.

Nope, it only shows what you've chosen it to say since the startpoint you chose :o)) It doesn't show that I'm still in profit by 10% and that this thread is only in relatively small loss since it started - which is excellent by most AIM companies' standards.

It also fails to recognise the current situation, which is that imo GNG is extremely undervalued.

To reiterate - and lets have some comments on the actual business for a change...

The current share price is 20p, with a 6.3m m/cap.

Seymour Pierce's new forecasts are:

Y/E 31 March'09 - 4.9p EPS, 1.6m PBT
Y/E 31 March'10 - 6.1p EPS, 2.1m PBT

So the 6.3m m/cap at 20p now plays a likely historic PAT of 1.5m - and maybe a fair amount more - for a historic P/E of 4, plus 3m cash and 10m or more tangible net assets.

I posted this summary on T.M.F for reference a few days ago which sets out the issues raised in the recent trading statement:

http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=11506384

Assuming GNG confirm in their upcoming results:

- a stated minimum historic PBT of 1.6m
- the stated 3m net cash pile
- 10m+ net tangible assets
- a stable outlook
- an order book comprising x plus say 5m+ annual recurring income
- further contract wins

then the current price will look even sillier than it does currently at a 6.3m m/cap.

It's also now been established that the order book figure given in the last RNS was before 5m of additional annual recurring income. It's therefore likely that GNG already have over 11m of turnover in the bag (per posters on ADVFN) for this year, against the 14m for the whole of last year. Not bad for a 6m m/cap company.

Nice - up 30% or 6.5p on the day to 28.5p now.

GNG are now on a minimum historic P/E of just 5.5 based on 4.9p EPS, with 6.1p EPS forecast for this year. With 35% of the m/cap covered by 3m cash.

Other points worth noting:

- its Balance Sheet strength (3m cash, tangible NAV greater than m/cap)
- its high recurring income and 10m order book
- its top tier client list
- the potential upside given a mere 9m m/cap relative to a minimum historic 1.6m PBT and GNG's market-leading position in China

It's always better to invest at the bottom rather than at the top.

depends on if going long or short....

Based on the above - very definitely long :o))

Legal & General disclosed last week that they'd doubled their stake in GNG, buying another 1.6m shares to go to 3.2m in total, i.e 10.16% of GNG:

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=200905191634135241S

Quite a vote of confidence.

Not only that, but it just so happens that the particular fund involved, L&G's Alpha Trust, is "the number one fund in the UK All Companies sector over three years to 31 March 2009." That's THE best performing fund out of more than 300.....

http://www.easier.com/view/Finance/Investments/Trusts/article-246633.html

"Legal & General UK Alpha Trust tops the pile
23 April 2009

Legal & General's UK Alpha Trust, managed by Richard Penny, was ranked the number one fund in the UK All Companies sector over three years to 31 March 2009.

Out of more than 300 funds, UK Alpha sat top of the pile over three years' cumulative performance. The fund, which identifies companies which have potential to return high alpha over an eighteen month or 2 year time-frame, has benefited from investments in diagnostics and healthcare stocks such as Tepnel Life Sciences Plc and Immuno Diagnostic Systems Holdings, as well as mining firms such as Allied Gold Limited through to online gaming software companies such as Playtech Ltd.

etc"

GNG is:

- on a current year P/E of 5 at 32p
- probably still trading at below tangible NAV
- has 3m cash against a 10m m/cap
- has a 10.6m order book and high recurring income
- has a market-leading position
- and has high barriers to entry and locked-in blue chip clients

GNG has a history of profit warnings.

GNG is not in good shape in terms of their business outlook.

Their sales and admin costs are going through the roof as their outlook is going not so good means that profits and cash are going to come under pressure.

Working cap needs and the needs to provide good and services up front free in order to win business is going to mean going forward more cash is going to get sucked out. They have already had the swing one way, as business slows existing working cap comes back to cash, but now it should swing the other way in the coming couple of sets of results.

Legal and General, that in itself means nothing, they all make mistakes, and they are now into a "lobster pot" scenario.......they have too much that they could never sell to get out of it.

Just my view but to buy a larger number of an illiquid small cap business with a history of profit warnings and with a poor outlook........well, say no more, someone is now trapped in. They likely felt the only way to support the price and hide any error was to buy more and pray things turn around, or if cash becomes an issue they can use their weight to get a discount price in a placing.

Likely means they will be looking at providing cash at a very big discount in order to average down in future. Placing alert ?


Too many far better shares out there, like WCC, CHNS or RCG.

GNG is, IMO, a real "avoid".

Sadly, PapalPower/Prosolenes' posting rationale is totally discredited as a joke.

For two or three years he posted negatively about RCG on a dozen bulletin boards as often as he could. But as soon as the share price reached a level he was happy with he turned ultra-bull and was ramping it everywhere!

And during that time he did the same about China Shoto (CHNS)....until quick as a flash he turned position and became an ultra bull.

And then re West China Cement (WCC)...guess what? The same again!! he's now an ultra bull.

I've no doubt that if GNG ever goes low enough he will be the first to start buying before pronouncing what a wonderful stock it is.

Despicable.

Good news in another holdings RNS today:

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=200905261714498411S

Legal & General have increased their holding yet again.

They now have a total holding of 3,312,000 shares, having added another 105,000 shares to their holding. This gives them 10.5% of GNG.

It's a fantastic vote of confidence for a 10m m/cap company like GNG.

And judging by today's trades the buyers are continuing to accumulate shares.

Interesting results today. I say this not from the point of what they say, but what they fail to say.

Results here :

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=20090623070000P...



BUT, ignoring the attempts of hype and promotion there are some very worrying underlying things not said.


Firstly, they have

2009 Revenues of 14.666m and Profits (after tax) of 1.359 so quick ratio is 9.26% for 2009
2008 Revenues of 7.612m and Profits (after tax) of 1.077 so quick ratio is 14.1% for 2008

What happened to margins, seem to have been smacked down on top of tax increases.



More worrying is the lack of reporting of the exchange rate. This is an RMB business but reporting in Sterling. Fine, but in the period of then to now the RMB has strengthened against sterling by near 40%. This means revenues, profits and earnings should have risen 40% at least. Anything less than 40% shows contraction.

So looking at

Profits in 2009 were 1.359 and in 2008 were 1.077 so growth is less than 30% BUT this is after 40% changes in currency. So actually profits in RMB terms have fallen.

Earnings in 2009 were 4.31p and in 2008 were 3.53p so growth is less than 30% BUT this is after 40% changes in currency conversion rates. So actually earnings in RMB terms have fallen.



Quite amazing that when profits have reduced and earnings reduced in RMB terms, the company highlights growth while quoting pounds sterling figures.


What does that tell you ?

Amazing if you take the 2008 figures and times by 14RMB to 1 pound, and take the 2009 figures and times by 10RMB to 1 pound, and then compare 2009 RMB figures to 2008 RMB figures. Worth doing.