Reports of frauds, deceptions and scams keep appearing, weekly even daily, on
major news channels and newspapers. Some of these frauds seem just too big and remote to be of immediate, direct relevance to our daily lives. But, we will eventually pay for the consequences and damages, in taxes, costs of goods and services, regulations, copy-cats etc.

I hope we can collect, in one thread, frauds and scams, reported or heard. We must become more aware and more educated to guard against frauds and scams
which impact upon the health, well being, and wealth of ourselves and our families.

Radioactive poisoning seems quite fashionable.

And the term 'Legal' merely means, "a miniscule chance of being found out".

"Radioactive poisoning seems quite fashionable."

Local pharmacy say they've just sold the last batch.

Must be someone else with the same idea round here.

TP

Not exactly a fraud or scam but ..........Wonderful message from Ing Savings to me this morning. I can't believe their cheek!

"We're writing to advise you that this month the Bank of England raised the base rate from 4.75% to 5.0%.

At ING Direct we want to offer all our customers a consistently good rate. On this occasion this means we have made the decision to maintain our ING Direct Savings Account interest rate at 4.75% AER*.

While some people may be willing to follow headline-grabbing rates, we know from talking to our customers that the majority prefer their savings to be earning consistently and want to relax knowing they don't have to constantly check Best Buy tables. "

Absolutely right. I don't want any better rate thank you very much. I'd much prefer it to stay the same.

"ING Direct - we always remember it's your money we're saving."

Yes I got it too, totally superior isn't it Bolshi! Makes one feel like moving all the pennies out, quite apart from the interest rate!

Kayak. It's just the wording that peed me off. The rates ARE still pretty good.

Not too bad but http://www.icicibank.co.uk/ are leading by a lot at the moment. After they raised their rates :-)

"The rates ARE still pretty good. "

Glad to hear you confirm my impression.

TP

I had never heard of ICICI bank until last Saturday. We were at an Indian community centre queuing for an Indian visa for our jollies next year and icicicicici (what a daft name I said immediately - people could get confused) set up a display there. Very nice people but I'm afraid I wouldn't put money into an Indian bank. Not sure why. guess I'm a bit prejudiced.

Or does the name just remind me of BCCI?

Erm....err....just to further help trash what it means to be a customer of ING Direct...

1. Your e-mail is about three days late. Others had this same e-mail on the 24th November.

2. As you are already a customer, I bet you my 5 that you are probably not aware of their 5.25% AER Ing Direct Web Saver account product, which is so very easy to open and can link up with your existing Ing Direct Internet savings account.



If you are thinking of moving your money out of ING, check out 'Icesave' as well as 'HiSAVE'.

Good rates Doc but, unfortunately, no use to me as we need to withdraw amounts on regular basis.

Firstdirect also do a savings account whereby if you withdraw anything during the month the whole balance earns nothing for the whole month. Pretty useless unless you can guarantee from the start that you will be able to withdraw the whole balance each time, and also on the first day of the month each time. I wonder how many people sign up without understanding the rule properly, or are caught out by unforeseen circumstances. This type of account should be banned IMHO.

I did open one with 1 but that was merely to save the 10 per month charge Firstdirect have just (very bravely) introduced!

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Bolshi, #324. It reminded me of the weasel word generator I was shown many years ago. Managements often seem comfortable, demand and dishes out those wonderful sounding, but meaninless and usually deceitful phrases and expressions. Popular word vary by business and profession. These used to be one to three word phrases but seem to have wormed into whole sentence these days.

Some shorter examples

"offer"
"consistently good"
"we know"
"from talking"
"our customers"
"majority prefer"
"always remember"

ING is probably a good bank but it is not a PR statement.

I wonder whether Fairpak literatures and statements contain similar entertaining expressions.

axdpc. They must go on the same course. Probably run by a Blair aide.

I've just re-read my post #324 "we need to withdraw amounts on regular basis"

I must remind the wife that we also need to occassionally deposit some as well!

A lot of companies don't seem to like you withdrawing anything out ever. The penalties are pretty severe. I liken them to the credit card providers who screw you if you don't pay off all the remaining balance every month.

It remind me of when I was looking round in order to change my broker. I looked at Jarvis who seemed great, but on reading the small print I found that they charged 10 for every cash withdrawal even though it was via bacs. "We are not a bank sir!" Was their reply when I asked why this daft amount. "And I'm no longer a potential customer chum!"

TV Quiz phone-in rip-offs

Bolshi, on post #329. "I'm afraid I wouldn't put money into an Indian bank. Not sure why. guess I'm a bit prejudiced."

IMO, it is unhealthy and dangerous that PC pressure sometime forces people to ignore their experiences. We should act based on our past experiences much moderated or enhanced by learning. I, too, avoid some companies and brands; take a default cynical view of commercial, financial and political spins; arm myself with a mental shotgun when confronted with those smiling, insistent, trying to put a foot inside the door, door knocking energy salesmen; and make great effort to avoid helping people whom I judge to have high possbility of exploiting others with quiet gloat and afterwards gleefully repay with sharp elbows and poisonous daggers. ...

Anger at post office closure plan

"There has been an angry reaction to reports that thousands of post offices are to be closed to save money.

About 2,500 and 3,000 post offices - most of which are in rural areas - are set to face phased closure after a government announcement on Thursday.

National Pensioners Convention general secretary Joe Harris said it would be "devastating news".

Royal Mail said the size of the network - which is losing money - depended on the level of government funding.

The Department of Trade and Industry described the current size of the network of 14,000 post offices as "unsustainable".

The network is making huge losses, and is due to lose a 150m-a-year subsidy for rural post offices in 2008.

..."


150m-a-year is less than the 400m that could have been earned, @5% interest, from the 8bn+ UK lost, in one year alone, to the carousal VAT fraud. We have lost not only 8bn lat year but potentially an additional 400m every year ...

Stag parties warned of Riga scam

"British men on stag nights in Latvia are being lured into strip bars before being beaten up and forced to hand over cash, the British embassy has warned.

Officials in the Latvian capital Riga say men are being enticed into the bars with the promise of free alcohol.

They are then prevented from leaving by those running the scam until a large bill has been settled.

..."

Probably the most convenient thread to park this one even though it is striclty, for now, neither a scam nor fraud. But the size of potential compensations makes it an interesting one to follow ... With the amound of money at stake, this can drag on for decades.

Are penalty charges bank robbery?

11 Dec 2006.

"Banks are making billions of pounds each year from penalty charges. But now the legality of these charges - which cost their customers an average of 30 a time - is being called into question and thousands of customers want their money back.

We have investigated why some campaigners claim penalty charges are illegal and what the banks and their regulators are doing about it.

Last year the top six High Street banks in the UK made an estimated 4.5bn from penalty charges. These are charges that are incurred for unauthorized overdrafts, bounced cheques and clearing Direct Debits when there are insufficient funds in the account.

The Campaigner

Stephen Hone is a young father of three and a law student based in Plymouth. When Stephen's bank, Abbey, removed 64 from his account for two 32 penalty charges he called his branch and asked them to pay it back.

"I was livid, I was really annoyed that they refused to give me the money back, the banks are always trying to say they're sympathetic," says Mr Hone. His bank pointed out that these charges were fair and within the terms and conditions of his contract. Mr Hone, however, believed those terms and conditions were unfair and therefore illegal.

Abbey offered to refund one of his charges.

The Legal Position

Stephen argued that under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations (1999) all penalty charges have to truly reflect the cost of administering them.

They are not permitted to be a profit-making enterprise for any business. He believes if a penalty charge is higher than its administrative cost, it is illegal.

...

The highest cost banks could justify for bouncing cheques is 4.50

..."

4.5bn of penalty charges in one year would mean either we as a nation bounce LOTS of cheques (1bn?) or the banking admin and IT system is grossly insufficient, or banks made bn's from penalty charges ???

If the banks was found to have overchaged, by as much as 10 times, and had to refund the extra changes, then, one way or anther, we will all be made foot the bill.
I cannot see the banks are willing and perhaps would struggle to pay back 4bn x 6 years = 24bn + compound interests. In a way, we see how some banks are making such good returns andthus able to reward the shareholders, staff and executives ...