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Kyoto - 10 Mar 2007 23:47

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Martini - 02 May 2014 00:36 - 374 of 440

Anyone got thoughts on the SAGA IPO other than it's appropriate for moi?

skinny - 02 May 2014 06:37 - 375 of 440

Et Moi - now that I can do it through HL, I probably will.

As the blurb says - the over 50s is a growing market!

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Martini - 02 May 2014 22:18 - 376 of 440

I need to read the prospectus but the one thing that worries me is that despite being one of their target audience I don't have a single product from them.

skinny - 03 May 2014 09:09 - 377 of 440

I actually insured my car through them this year - much to my son's amusement!

dreamcatcher - 03 May 2014 11:58 - 378 of 440

mitzy - 03 May 2014 12:08 - 379 of 440

Father Jack..?

ExecLine - 03 May 2014 12:38 - 380 of 440

One SAGA benefit for old farts, who wish to take a holiday trip, is that there are no problems getting insurance. SAGA are very experienced in dealing with death and incontinence too, should you ever want to send off any elderly relatives for Christmas.

Their IPO? I think it might flop. IMHO, it's all about the 16% unpaid interest return due to the Preference Share holders. It has never been paid to them and has been allowed to stack up every year, thereby saving tax through turning any annual profit into a loss.

Andrew Goodsell, CEO, stands to get £210m from the float from this refinancing and the AA will be divested from the Group.

Coincidentally, my wife and I were cold called by their cruise sales dept. for the very first time ever only last week. For them to do that, we wondered if business is bad......? Hmmm? It might just be a change of sales policy. We are on their mailing list and they do have our phone number.

HARRYCAT - 04 May 2014 11:45 - 381 of 440

TravelEx are due to float by the end of June. Announcement due within the next couple of weeks.

ExecLine - 13 May 2014 14:17 - 382 of 440

Just in:

The SAGA float:

What does Saga do?

Let's start with some of the basic facts.

Saga is a business that offers a range of services to the over-50s. These include the Saga magazine, cruise trips, and a sizeable insurance operation. Insurance is the largest part of the business.

Saga is currently owned by a company called Acromas, which also owns the AA. Acromas is owned by several private equity firms as well as its senior management.

We don't yet know what the offer price will be, but it's expected to be in the range of 185p to 245p. That values the company at £2bn¬¬–£2.5bn. Although some debt will be paid off, Saga will still carry debts of £700m after the float.

If you want to buy shares, you need to apply by 11:59pm on Tuesday 20 May. You can do that online via the Saga website. Existing customers and employees get preference in the application process. (Here's the link if you're interested: https://www.sagashareoffer.co.uk/AboutShareOffer).

The main question to ask before you invest in any new listing

So should you buy in? Well, whenever a company lists on the stock market, I always want to know why it is happening.

Keeping things simple, there are three main reasons why a company might float:

• the owners of the company want to cash in their chips and sell

• the company wants to raise capital to invest and grow

• the company wants to raise cash to pay down debt


With Saga, it's pretty clear that this flotation is happening for two reasons: to pay down debt, and to enable the owners to sell some of their shares.

And that makes me nervous.

If a company is raising money for investment, then I might get excited about it. It could be a promising growth story with the potential to make me money.

But when it's a bunch of savvy private equity guys selling out, I worry that they're only going to sell for a full price. After all, Acromas has waited until we're five years into an equity bull market before selling. They want to get top dollar.

That's great for investors in the private equity funds. But I don't see why I should buy at or near the top.

Granted, Saga does have some strengths. It's profitable and has a strong brand which most people in the UK are aware of. It doesn't have to spend much on advertising as it has a great marketing database with 10.4 million names. And its customers appear to be satisfied – 88% of 'active customers' are repeat buyers.

What's more, its management thinks there's growth potential in wealth management and healthcare – which is probably true.

But I think these strengths are more than reflected in the proposed valuation. Saga made a pre-tax profit of £110m last year, which means that the company will probably trade on a price/earnings ratio in the high teens. That's a bit steep for what is, fundamentally, an insurance company with a couple of secondary businesses in publishing and travel.

What's more, there's no sign of profits growth – pre-tax profits have been pretty much static for the last three years.

The Saga flotation looks like a big cash-in – steer clear

It's also worth noting that the current executive chairman, Andrew Goodsell, is planning to become a non-exec boss within the next 18 months. He's already made more than £100m from the company, and stands to make a further £80m if the flotation is a success.

That's just another sign that this is just one big cash-in.

I also worry that some investors may buy in simply because they remember what happened with Royal Mail (LSE: RMG) last year. The shares floated at 330p last autumn and then soared to over £6 earlier this year. That was a great deal for investors – if not the taxpayer.

But not all stock market offerings perform that well. For example, earlier this year Pets at Home (LSE: PETS) floated at 245p. But the shares are now trading at 222.5p having fallen lower a few weeks ago.

I freely admit that there's a danger that I'm going to miss out on the growth potential lying in wealth management and healthcare. But at this price, I'm happy to take that risk. I'm not buying.

If you want to read a more detailed analysis of the Saga stock market listing, read Phil Oakley's analysis in this week's edition of MoneyWeek magazine.

Martini - 17 May 2014 20:20 - 383 of 440

After due consideration I have decided to pass on Saga. This should be an excellent signal for the rest of you to fill your boots!

Chris Carson - 17 May 2014 21:03 - 384 of 440

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1. Classification


Saga looks set be classed as a specialised consumer services company, putting it alongside companies such as EasyJet, Sainsbury and Greggs rather than an insurance company.


However, that is despite Saga generating 77pc of its profits from motor and home insurance.


The management says that reflects the fact that just 36pc of revenue is generated from insurance and that much of that comes from broking rather than underwriting.


The interesting point here is that consumer services shares as are often rated at about 20 times earnings, whereas UK-focused insurers trade on about at about 10 times earnings.


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2. Profits

During the past two years group profits before tax have been largely flat, rising only £1m in the last three years.

However, the shares look as though they will be priced at the top of the range, at around 245p.

That would give them a price earnings ratio of about 20 times, which is usually applied to a company where revenue and profits are growing very quickly.


3. Saga will have quite a lot of debt

A higher level of debt in a company increases risks to shareholders if anything goes wrong, as the owners of that debt have the first claim on any assets.

Saga will have debt’s of about £700m following the flotation against a balance sheet with net assets of £1.1bn.



4. Saga will still be majority owned by private equity

The largest single shareholder will still be Acromas, which is owned by private equity groups Charterhouse, Permira and CVC.

They are restricted from selling shares for 180 days. However, private equity is not known for publicly listed equities for the long term..

Management have assured that nothing will be done to damage the brand.

However, Saga will be an interested test case of the tensions between the interests of private equity owners who need to return cash to their investors and Saga customers who become shareholders themselves.


5. Expansion plans

Saga says it will boost growth and profits by offering legal services, share dealing, wealth management and private care in the home to its database of some 8.4m households.

However, can a leopard change its spots?

The group has not meaningfully shifted its profits from insurance during the past five years.

Each of those potential markets is also highly competitive.
ve reasons not to buy. (Daily Telegraph)


HARRYCAT - 22 May 2014 11:32 - 385 of 440

WIZZ AIR - "The Global Offer will comprise an offer of new Ordinary Shares by the Company to raise gross proceeds of approximately €200 million, and the sale of Ordinary Shares by existing investors, including investment funds managed by the Group's existing principal investor, Indigo Partners LLC ("Indigo"). It is also expected that, subject to Admission and other conditions being met, the Company will be considered eligible for inclusion in the FTSE UK Index Series. The Global Offer is expected to complete in June 2014."

ExecLine - 22 May 2014 11:41 - 386 of 440

Saga cuts float price despite 'exceptional demand'
Over-50s group Saga reduces maximum price at which it will sell its shares from 245p to 205p
by Richard Evans May 21, 2014

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/shares/10846542/Saga-cuts-float-share-price-despite-exceptional-demand.html

Saga, the over-50s group, has cut the price range for its shares in the forthcoming flotation to between 185p and 205p.

Previously it had indicated a range of 185p-245p, so the change marks a 16pc reduction in the maximum price. The cut comes despite what the company called "exceptional demand" from private investors, many of whom are Saga customers.

Institutional investors have been less enthusiatic, however, indicating that they would not be interested in the shares if priced at the top of the original range. Sources close to Saga said the flotation had received demand for £1.5bn worth of shares from institutional investors across the new price range.

The company said the price cut was intended to increase the chances that investors who take part in the float would see gains when trading starts on Friday. "We remain very focused on seeking to underpin a positive aftermarket performance in the stock," the chairman, Andrew Goodsell, said.

Mr Goodsell said: “The retail offer has now closed, showing exceptional demand, and we continue to see strong momentum in the institutional offer.

"Given our desire to allow customers to play a significant part in the future ownership of the business, we remain very focused on seeking to underpin a positive aftermarket performance in the stock, with the appropriate balance between high quality institutional investors and retail investors.

"We are therefore narrowing the range to 185-205p per share to support a strong debut.”

The latest prediction of the price at which investors can sell their shares when trading starts is 223p, according to IG, which runs a "grey market" for its customers. If Saga sells the shares at the maximum 205p price, this would give investors an instant profit of about 9pc.

skinny - 22 May 2014 11:44 - 387 of 440

I decided against SAGA in the end - which should guarantee that they rocket!


FatFace abandons plans for IPO

Martini - 10 Jun 2014 21:10 - 388 of 440

TSB next one on my radar. A "clean" bank but unlikely to make much in the way of profits for some time.

Will keep reading the analysis what do others think?

ExecLine - 13 Jun 2014 14:07 - 389 of 440

I'm not now going to participate in the TSB IPO.

Interestingly, SAGA, which kicked off at 185p, is now down to 170p as I type.

skinny - 13 Jun 2014 14:10 - 390 of 440

Me neither - I didn't apply for SAGA but I did for PETS and BBOX recently.

ExecLine - 13 Jun 2014 18:35 - 391 of 440

My main reasons are:

Lots more shares to be issued - ie. the remaining 3/4 of the company - and this has to be before 2015 end.
TSB is likely to generate less than 10% returns. These are on the 'low side'.
Low returns have to mean mean low share prices.
TSB mortgages are a tadge risky - 45% being 'interest only' - even riskier when interest rates rise.
TSB is not involved in highly profitable investment banking.
The health of TSB is highly linked to the UK housing market - house prices are too expensive and customers are already overstretched.
No dividends - well, not until at least 2017.

ExecLine - 14 Jun 2014 12:02 - 392 of 440

From The Mail
13 June 14

Will you say yes to discounted TSB shares? Lloyds poised to sell first round of shares in eagerly anticipated float
By JAMES SALMON

Lloyds is poised to sell a tranche of spin-off lender TSB in one of the year’s most eagerly awaited stock market floats.

The public now has the chance to snap up shares in the challenger bank, formed out of 631 branches Lloyds was forced to sell as a condition of a £20billion taxpayer bailout.


Paul Pester, TSB chief executive, has pledged to run a simple bank for local communities – setting it apart from the scandal-hit High Street giants.

Lloyds is also selling the shares at a significant discount to the notional value of TSB – known as the ‘book value’ – at between 220p to 290p, depending on demand. The final price will be announced on June 20 and full trading will begin on June 25.

Even if the shares are sold at the middle of the range – 255p – TSB would be valued at £1.275billion.

This represents a discount of 15 per cent to its book value of £1.5billion.

Put more simply, the shares are being offered on the cheap – even compared with other bank stocks.

For this reason alone, some experts believe it might be worth a punt. Ed Croft, boss of investment website Stockopedia, said: ‘Lloyds is essentially a forced seller of TSB and as a result the float seems to be priced to go.

Our analysis suggests that even if priced at the higher end of the range, TSB could still be on a 20 per cent discount versus its banking sector peer group.’

But TSB is not suitable for investors seeking an income, unless they are prepared to stick it out for the longer term.

Lloyds has made clear that the ‘low level of profitability’ anticipated in the early years means investors will have to wait until spring 2018 to receive a dividend for TSB’s 2017 performance.

One big plus point is that there is no risk of skeletons coming out of the cupboard to hammer its share price. Lloyds has agreed to shoulder any past mis-selling claims – including for PPI – from TSB customers.

TSB also has a bigger capital buffer than competitors. This makes it financially secure and gives plenty of firepower to grow the business and boost lending.

On paper, TSB has plenty of opportunity to grow market share and achieve an ambition to increase the balance sheet by 40-50 per cent over the next five years.

At present it has 6 per cent of the UK’s bank branches, but just 4.2 per cent of current accounts. TSB reckons it can grow this to a 6 per cent market share, adding 1.5m customers to an existing 4.5m accounts.

On the mortgage lending front, TSB should enjoy a big fillip when starting to sell home loans via brokers early next year.

But Justin Modray from Candid Money describes the longer-term outlook as ‘mixed’ and says he is ‘ambivalent’ about the shares. ‘TSB’s mortgage book has a higher than usual exposure to interest-only mortgages, which could mean painful bad debts if the housing price bubble bursts,’ he says. ‘TSB will have to work hard to attract profitable customers.’ And he adds: ‘Overall, I am fairly ambivalent about buying the shares.
‘I doubt they will be a disaster and there is probably some reasonable potential longer term, but maybe the risks are too high for many mainstream investors.’

Investors will also have a reasonably high exposure to the banking sector via their existing pensions and stock market funds.



This week analysts at Oriel Securities reeled out a list of risks that threaten to thwart TSB’s ambitions. These include potential measures by the Bank of England’s Financial Policy Committee to cool the housing market – such as limiting loan-to-income ratios.

If interest rates remain low for a prolonged period, Oriel reckons many of TSB’s existing borrowers will be tempted to hang on to cheap standard variable deals, rather than switching to higher-margin fixed-rate loans.

Despite all the potential pitfalls, experts say TSB is well worth a punt for long-term investors with strong nerves.

Shares can be bought through most stockbrokers, including Killik, Charles Stanley and Hargreaves Lansdown. Hargreaves’ closing date for applications is June 17.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/saving/article-2657374/Will-say-yes-discounted-TSB-shares-Lloyds-poised-sell-shares-eagerly-awaited-float.html

ExecLine - 14 Jun 2014 12:10 - 393 of 440

TSB is heavily reliant on the UK Housing Market. As such, I thought I would include a link to the following article which is quite relevant at this particular time:

House price growth predictions HALVED in London as eye-watering prices and stricter lending show signs of cooling the UK market

*New buyer enquiries rise at their slowest pace since February last year
*Banks must not 'throw petrol on the fire' with unsustainable lending, Vince Cable warns
*IMF warns that house prices are too high globally and need to be reined in
*Bank of England deputy governor Ben Broadbent raises concerns about rising house prices
*The booming property market is starting to show signs of calming down as potential buyers reject eye-watering prices and stricter mortgage rules take a grip, surveyors report.

Read more: Full article here
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