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Are you MAN enough? (EMG)     

Velocity - 20 Jan 2005 21:49

I suspect trading tomorrow will probably answer this conundrum, but I know there are some far wiser owls than me that contribute to this bb & I would be interested in their opinions.

My question is this: the chart below looks to me like a pullback of the uptrend (ie when it went north through 14.00) however I am unsure as it has now broken down through 14.00 whether this is trending up or down :-(

So what do you think - up or down, or should I just flip a coin :-)) ?

Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=EMG&Si

HARRYCAT - 28 Oct 2011 13:05 - 388 of 960

You reckon 145p target is realistic skinny? Think I may try & make a little money next week on this one.

skinny - 28 Oct 2011 13:11 - 389 of 960

Its not a company I know much about - although I feel I should in terms of potential returns. That yearly low was hit (not surprisingly) in the last 4 weeks - 150 seems to have held on a few occasions.

Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=EMG&Si

skinny - 28 Oct 2011 13:16 - 390 of 960

As you say - interims next week - will the 9.07% yield hold?

HARRYCAT - 28 Oct 2011 13:38 - 391 of 960

Exactly. If the yield drops significantly, then recovery is going to be slow.

gibby - 30 Oct 2011 09:19 - 392 of 960

funds under mgmt way down about 40% - profits down - the only question really from thurs interims this week is is there anything to give back to share holders in the form of a cash divi - prob bit more red tomorrow then just maybe then some blue - roll on thurs - yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

if there is a divi here this year dont expect one next year apparently

gibby - 30 Oct 2011 09:20 - 393 of 960

oh and man flag ship fund under performing quite significantly - apart from that all is fine!!!! lol

gla

Chris Carson - 30 Oct 2011 13:20 - 394 of 960

Worth a wee punt in the run up to interims Thurs, was hoping for below 150.0 late Frid, didn't happen. Got in @ 153.5 Tgt 180.0 stop 140.0.

Chris Carson - 31 Oct 2011 11:46 - 395 of 960

Added @ 148.5
This was the price I hoped to get in on friday. Probably a suicide trade but this company are so inept at the mo, there is every chance they will press the wrong button and get it right just to naff off the shorters. :O)

skinny - 31 Oct 2011 11:49 - 396 of 960

Chris - I've decided to stay clear - so your trades will be just fine :-)

Chris Carson - 31 Oct 2011 11:53 - 397 of 960

skinny - I doubt it, he who dares :O)

HARRYCAT - 31 Oct 2011 11:58 - 398 of 960

Possibly some fallout from the news today that MF Global U.S.(which was spun off from Man Grp) has stopped accepting CFD trades and is likely to declare bankruptcy.

"STATEMENT ON MF GLOBAL

Man Group notes that its former subsidiary, MF Global Holdings Ltd, has today filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

Man Group confirms that MF Global is an entirely independent company. Neither Man nor its wholly owned single managers have counterparty exposure to MF Global."

hlyeo98 - 31 Oct 2011 14:12 - 399 of 960

This is a clear SELL.

halifax - 31 Oct 2011 17:18 - 400 of 960

so which creditors has MF Global sought protection from and is there going to be any "knock on" effect?

halifax - 31 Oct 2011 17:34 - 401 of 960

interesting that their CEO was former CEO of the "vampyre squid" lets see if they have lost in the demise of MFGlobal.

gibby - 31 Oct 2011 21:21 - 402 of 960

indeed - chrisc good luck - you may need it i am afraid - still skinny has given you a helping hand by not buying!!! as you say he who dares.......... hope it goes well for you - i am still undecided - waiting more info

mitzy - 01 Nov 2011 08:32 - 403 of 960

I'm buying... not.

Chris Carson - 01 Nov 2011 08:43 - 404 of 960

Will be stopped out very shortly, not one of my better trading decisions this year -13.5

mitzy - 01 Nov 2011 10:04 - 405 of 960

Sub 140p.

mitzy - 01 Nov 2011 13:20 - 406 of 960

Down 10% now ..incredible.

HARRYCAT - 01 Nov 2011 13:31 - 407 of 960

Note from Credit Suisse:
"We do not expect any material surprises in the interim results given the company released its pre close trading update on the 28 Septemeber. The key financials from the pre close trading update, included AuM at end Sept of $65bn, H1 adjusted PBT of $185m, H1 adjusted EPS of 7.5cents and net cash of $700m. The company also committed to holding the dividend constant for the 9 months ending 31 Dec 11 on a pro rata basis at 16.5c (22c full year).
Expect further decline in AuM at 1 Nov 2011: We expect AuM to have declined further over the past month to c$63bn. We attribute the decline to weaker investment performance (c-$1bn) predominately in AHL with some offset from long only funds. We expect FX to add c$1.8bn due to US$ weakness. On top of the $0.8bn de-gear on 1 October (as announced in pre close) we estimate a further $0.8bn due to AHL weakness. Finally on flows, this is more difficult to predict but we expect further net redemptions due to the general risk aversion across the industry in October which we believe could result in net redemption up to c$1bn.
No exposure to MF Global: Man has confirmed that the company or its wholly owned single managers have no counterparty exposure to MG Global.
Valuation implying zero performance fees: The shares are trading on FY12E PE of 8.4x or c7.3x (ex net cash) vs.sector on c11x. We accept there remains downside risk to performance fees but even excluding all FY12 performance fees and net of cash the shares trade on c11.5x.
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