Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

So, just to get it straight.

Whoever gets the top job, would still have to get mp's to go along with any legislation.

ie, sensible ideas only would get through...mad despots would be out of luck?

Now we know how Cameron walks on water.

Or in step

Nicked from across the road.

Proof, if needed as to who is running the €uroshow.




José Manuel Barroso to become chairman of Goldman Sachs International


Former Portuguese PM and head of EU commission will help Wall Street firm deal with fallout of Brexit vote in non-executive advisory role


Jill Treanor

Friday 8 July 2016 16.09 BST


José Manuel Barroso, the former Portuguese prime minister and one-time head of the European commission, has been hired by Goldman Sachs to help it deal with the fallout from the UK’s shock vote to leave the European Union.

Barroso, who was president of the European commission for 10 years until 2014, is becoming chairman of Goldman Sachs International – the bank’s UK and European operations – and will also be an adviser. His pay has not been disclosed.



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/08/jose-manuel-barroso-to-become-next-head-of-goldman-sachs-international

We have had the Chilcot damning enquiry into Blair and Iraq.

Is it now time to have an enquiry into Cameron's handling into the holding and reasons for the referendum, his incompetence the probable economic effects of Brexit.

Also, for Cameron and this tory party's, the party of con artists, is the lack of post-referendum planning, which is/was a dereliction of his responsibility.

The results may be worse that Blair's legacy.

Preferably, before the impending chaos occurs.

What a legacy.

starting gun has been fired on a Labour leadership contest that is highly likely to culminate in the break-up of the party

— Robert Peston (@Peston) 9 July 2016

Angela Eagle to stand for Labour leader on Monday.

A Times article in November 2015 which reported that legal advice had been sought by the party which suggested a sitting leader would need to receive nominations from MPs and MEPs in order to stand again.
The only time since 1945 that a sitting Labour leader has been challenged was in 1988 when Tony Benn sought to topple Neil Kinnock. Neil Kinnock says he had to be endorsed by members of the PLP in order to get on the ballot - which some argue has set a precedent.
The issue is crucial because Mr Corbyn could struggle to get 50 nominations, if they were needed.

More bad news for Corbyn. Conservatives to have vote on Trident renewal on 18 July. As many as 150 Labour MPs set to vote for Trident against Corbyn's wishes.

There hasn't been a proper labour party since blair took over, so I don't suppose anyone will notice the difference.

I wonder where the contracts for a waste of money are going?

Perhaps, future directorships?

Some have talked about Theresa May "filling Margaret Thatcher's shoes" as the next PM. Well, can you imagine Maggie hiding below the parapet on any subject? She told it as she saw it, right or wrong. She would have argued her case, for or against Brexit, unlike May, who disappeared from the scene. Speaks a lot for May's lack of conviction or courage to stand up and be counted. At least Corbyn pretended to try.

Once we are rid of the EU and we start trading with the WORLD, then all
this worry by the 'remainer's' will be a thing of the past.

The only thing i'm pissed off about, is having to dawdle around while we're
waiting for article50 to be invoked, it would be much better if we got on with
negotiating trade deals with countries around the world, and started selling-
buying to each other, instead of mollycoddling and stroking the ego's of those
in Brussels.

They're in delay and pray mode.

You may be lucky to leave at all.

You could be right if its left to May, the baron one, who thinks because she
can't have children she'll import some.

Check spelling of baron.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-vote-roils-london-real-153750128.html

LONDON (AP) — Henry Pryor, who has helped people buy homes in London for more than 30 years, says only war would be a bigger threat to the housing market than the conditions it faces now after Britain's vote to leave the European Union.
In addition to the vote, the prime minister has resigned, the main opposition is in disarray, and there may be early Parliamentary elections. And Donald Trump may become U.S. president, something Pryor argues would add further uncertainty to the global economy.
"Any one of those five would have been enough to frighten the housing market," he says. "The only thing more dramatic than where we are now is if we were at war."

Things are also unsettled in the housing market, where prospects have deteriorated after the Brexit vote, according to Howard Archer, chief European economist at research firm HIS Global Insight.
Even before the referendum, in June, the average London house price fell 0.2 percent amid uncertainty about the outcome, according to the latest survey by Rightmove, the U.K.'s largest property website. Some suggest the housing market is ripe for a substantial drop — asking prices have risen 55 percent to an average of 643,117 pounds ($832,785) since June 2010.
"Housing market activity and prices now look to be at very serious risk of an extended, marked downturn following the U.K.'s vote to leave the EU," Archer wrote. "This is likely to weigh down markedly on economic activity and consumer confidence, which is not good news for the housing market."
Newlywed Jon Dean, 29, knows that all too well. He's trying to sell a property in North London so he and his new bride can buy a home of their own. But potential buyers want a discount in the aftermath of the vote, and the offers he was getting were lower than the lowest he was prepared to accept.
"I'm taking mine off the market for a little while to see how things go," he said. "I think people are going to be more cautious now."

Oppps yes I was getting confused with Baronet, or does May think she's
entitled to an higher order..

Of course this chappie Henry Pryor isn't biased...

He's part of the problem, running up house prices to beyond the reach of the
average worker....