Some good news at last from this weeks Shares mag. Tim Freeborn revisits the company and altho no firm details are given about new deals he says they will be announced this quarter. I would think that this could be at the same time as the interim results are announced. I for one will be holding on cos they will fly sooner rather than later! ( 8.30% up today!)

i will never listen to that cheap amatuer rag again
just look at this

buy earthport @2.62 3mnths later 50%loss
sell earthport@1.32 next day 25% gain

i do not have a view on this stock,but i have been watching with interest the comments. the right thing TF can do now is to post his comments on the trading statement issued today instead of waiting for next weeks issue.cheers woodie

TF, Do you still have a holding ?

he's not allowed to post here anymore!!!!

I hate to say toldyou so - But I am now even more than happy about unsubscribing from Shares Mag. No Doubt the wingers will be out in
force on this BB very shortly knocking EPO and finding every negative possible in the statement. Reminds me of the old lady's knitting as the Guillotine
came down. They didnt last very long !!!!

Well Well Well.

Earthport says Q4 revenues up 47 pct vs Q3 - UPDATE
AFX


(Updating with more comments on trading)

LONDON (AFX) - Earthport PLC, an electronic payment services company, said its fourth quarter to June saw the highest revenue flow and growth since 2000.

In a trading update, the company said although it is not yet cashflow positive, 'that goal is now clearly in our sights.'

Revenues grew by 47 pct in the fourth quarter from the third quarter and opening of new e-wallets accelerated by 75 pct in the period.

The company expects to add an SMS payment gateway in September and a local and international debit card in October, which it expects to contribute to additional revenues.

It said it is negotiating further public service deals in Europe involving mobile top-up, over the counter and kiosk services.

Referring to an announcement last March about the acquisition of a US-based online banking service company, earthport said today that following due diligence it decided not to proceed with the deal. Instead, it will seek to replicate and provide the services in conjunction with various banking partners in the US, Europe and Asia.

The group said it has had only limited success with its gaming cleared cash solution and has decided to transfer all its gaming-related payment services, merchants and relationships into a new stand-alone independent company, incorporated in Jersey.

Earthport said ensurePay will be launched as a gaming merchant payment services provider via a branded website. It will offer both ensurePay branded payment solutions for SME merchants and white-labeled payments solution to the larger merchants.

Referring to its 13.5 mln stg claim against Baltimore Technologies PLC, earthport said it is 'very confident' of the outcome.

It also has a claim against Egg PLC and Prudential PLC, which it expects to serve in September. Earthport said the inability of Prudential to find a buyer for Egg has lessened the need for immediate action.

The company has obtained a judgment for 130,929 stg against BT Group PLC relating to the December 2001 'Stored Value' contract with BT Ignite.

Shares mag and TF, generally you do a good job, keep up the good work. I guess a few beers will be downed tonight as it appears RC has well and truly stitched you up, never mind, take it with a pinch of salt and keep smiling. to all the whingers that bought hi and sold low on the basis of a magazine tip, suckers!!!!!!!!! Do your own research not rely on other peoples for yopur tips and then you will be a tad more better off!

Some of us whingers just kept on buying ............ Way to go. GL

For you guys : press mention, will appear in tomorrow's Daily Mail Newspaper.

Beyond the Footsie: Friday close
20 August 2004, This Is Money

Earthport closed 0.32p higher at 1.67p, after issuing an upbeat trading statement this afternoon.

The electronic payment services company announced that its fourth quarter to June saw the highest revenue flow and growth since 2000.

http://www.thisismoney.com/20040820/nm81651.html

Just been reading the Trading Update (TU)_but surprised by the relative silence on the BB (everyone away for a long week-end?). Price sharply marked up to 1.675, up 24% on day. Thought it would be helpful to give some initial reaction in the hope that it might spark some insights. Firstly, though, a word for Shares Magazine. I can't see that it was helpful to post a Sell, whatever the feeling of being let down by failed promises, before the TU came out. What we need is a considered reaction, including comment from someone who knows the market and earthport's position in it. I feel that the people let down are those who sold at rock bottom earlier in the week on your advice. I suspect most of us held for the TU. This has positive aspects but raises questions; so where do I go for professional guidance? - not most brokers or analysts who are too tied up with bigger fish. This is where I see SM coming in. John Marshall's contributions set the standard - even the entry "the writer holds shares in the company" is a worthwhile accolade. This is probably 'not his e-wallet' but an alternative would be to use a specialist analyst. Please take up this challenge.

Turning to the TU, there is some help to the investor but also queries left unanswered. I suspect an effort to 'confuse us with facts' but unfortunately these are mainly of a technical/application nature. Useful input:

1. 800K has been invested via convertible loan notes. 1.5M funding is available from a joint venture company for systems which means that 120K monthly costs are saved. License revenue is conserved. Presumably the joint venture partner will own the systems whilst EPO retains license revenue. 1.5M is anticipated from an 'agreement in principle' to sell a minority stake in ensurePay Ltd - it is claimed that no further EPO shares are to be issued but this minority stake clearly has a similar effect. I think I am right in concluding that the gaming services will be operated from this company.

2. The main trading facts are that revenue is up 47% in the 4th quarter (April to June) over the third quarter. Unfortunately we don't have a comparison of the 3rd quarter with the first half which we know. 'Opening of new e-wallets accelerated by 75% in the 4th quarter' (Which is presumably reflected in next quarter's revenue). Delivery has been made to Wanadoo but revenue presumably comes in current year. Three new customers come on stream in October. "While the company is not yet cash-flow positive, that goal is clearly in our sights".

3. The encouraging factor re the legal claim against Baltimore (and potentially EGG) is that a positive judgement has been gained for a claim of 130K agaoinst BT Ignite. Might this act as a precedent for the Baltimore claim and make more sense of it?

The TU makes reference to exponentially increasing markets aand this was the attraction I saw in EPO. The key question is 'when will the company become cashflow positive'. Clues as to management expectations are (a) the amount of money raised and partnerships established to get the company to that point; (b) the business build-up closed for Q2. The 2004/5 trading position should be clear by then - no sign of a date for results which should give better projections. The company has traded at 3 to 4p in the past, implying a capitalisation of 20 to 25M. Once the positive cashflow date can be confidently predicted, the price should recover to those levels. There must be a downside risk - this report announces measures to remove costs and the suspicion is that such actions perhaps might not be capable of repetition.

The share is not for the faint-hearted even now. My own holding of 900K shares is large enough for the present. I am running my profits in ASOS (John Marshall holds shares in this comany!); given that it has the bull-run I expect in the Autumn, I could well make a partial switch to EPO if the positive interpretaion of future trading is confirmed. Over to you fellows (and girls).

EWRobson,

I think you have to place Shares Mags sell recommendation in it's proper context, i.e. Not ONE thing that they have said/repeated/posted here has been validated by announcements from the company. This means that;

a) Either they lied and made it up..
b) They are incompetent journalists who only hear what they want to hear.
c) They have been consistently lied to.

They took the position that they could no longer support a company that did this. They also (quite correctly) said that if the TU was published after they went to press then holders/readers should make their own minds up. All in all, I find their position on epo, honest and transparent, unlike those on the 'inside'.

If you read the TU carefully, it is designed imho to mislead and confuse, to mention Q4 growth, but not mention Q3 number reads as if it is intentionally misleading.

I read this to mean that Annual Revenues (Including the BT 'win) are less than 1 million, or thereabouts.

The brokers note, by the previous brokers (as sent to me by Peter Chappell only 3 months ago) points to annual revenues of 4.2 million!!!!

Yet, they do not even attempt to explain this HUGE difference.

Not one transaction is certain - so why mention them?!!!

They are selling off a minority stake (49%??!!) in their crown jewels (Well the only thing producing revenue)..who to? And for how much (UP TO 1.5 million was stated, NOT 1.5 million).

As for the benefit of the JV, it looks as if they will simply take over dev cost for a period of time...what happens thereafter.

As for NO shares being issued, please read it again, they have raised 600K (unsecured!!) and 200K - SECURED ( if gelande believe, why are they secured?!!) and another 150K by debt/equity swop (how many more times are they going to do this?) Is there no end to this?

In any event, if the existing options 800K plus the above are triggered you will be looking at another 60 million shares! So, even here they cannot be clear.

All here, will remember what was said/sent by email to a shareholder about the 'US' deal, and all will remember the Post Office 'done' deal..well, that NEVER existed.

And last, but not least, I think they have again been circumspect with the truth, they state that they successfully applied for an extension to provide particulars to Baltimore about the claim, well they didn't. As I am told it by my solicitor (it is info in the public domain) it was BLM who dragged epo into court and it was they that sought to get the particulars filed within 10 days.

I'm sorry, but there is not a single word that can be believed in this TU, there is not one promise/leak/comment that they have managed to keep to in the past, and I see nothing in this TU to show me that their method of operating has changed.

Remember, they said they would not have to raise another penny!!

I wish you luck, but they are now well and truly off the shopping list, if and when they can show they can meet their promises I and others may invest. I see this share going nowhere for along time (assuming of course they survive), by my reckoning they will still need to raise significant further funding and the city know it.!!

IMHO, DYOR and all that BS!!

regards

T..

I'm a holder of Baltimore as I can't summonup the courage to realise my loss from those millennium days. Always thought it was a silly business and only bought because of the rising price; - then I nodded off and - - -.
Earthport does at least have a believable technology - er but what's to stop anyone doing the same thing? Where's the barrier to entry? I don't recall any strength here. If the virus writers can create havoc in a matter of weeks, legit writers can soon patch together a payment site.

BT created their "click" brand ( that's died from lack of news) and this has some benefits in that the money is all-but safe being a set of digits in BT's archive. Only at the end of the month are the debits and credits aligned and then you are billed like a telecon charge. Where is the simplicity in Earthport's business model. BT doesn't even have to sign-up about 80% of the UK population.

Furthermore Retail Decisions has tried their scheme all over the World and in some places it's working OK, ( excluding recent Aug04.woes!) - so I'm wondering if Earthport isn't having to "catch the leader" here.
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Their case with Baltimere is most curuious, as the new-boy is trying to say the established player has been cheating (my interpretation)....eh? Oh yes, just as Baltimore's cash is finally running out - whoops! Will the Directors come up with a new technology to make their fortunes? I understand G.Marconi is really into this Wire-less thingy....could catch on.

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As for Planestation (Tim Freebourne ...mentioned 50% rise...) the rise since Jan04 has been no more than 30% and if you take the sub 20% spread the rise in investment terms is closer to 10%. With the World running out of cheap oil, the last thing we want is poor people hollidaying to the Med. or Florida. All flights should be taxed at 100 - that would save some fuel.

one mistake I made is listening to shares magazine,I suggest every one cancels there subscription,I have because shares magazines advice has lost me a lot of money,I wish they would close down,and KEEP THEIR ADVICE TO THEMSELVES, THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH ANYMORE.FOR GODS SAKE NO LONGER LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE.

I think someone is feeling sore!!

At the end of the day, when one buys a magazine devoted to the market, it contains opinion, which is obvious to the majority of punters. Opinions vary with the market conditions and information from day to day. It is guess work based on a certain amount of information. If you are led astray, it is often due to greed and lack of ones own sensible evaluation of the information and opinions given. There is rarely something for nothing in this world.

If you buy on a tip from the tipster, how often do you thank him or do you congratulate yourself on picking a winner.

If the journalists of the various magazines had the magic eyes to pick reliably the winners and losers, they would be unlikely to share their knowledge, or dissipate it to the rest of the market without utilising it first, and then do so in an attempt to maximise their position.

Probably, they would not be earning their corn by being journalists, although for many of the journalist a satisfaction from getting their predictions right and/or educating others. (Ie. the skill of playing games and playing the market has the same markers and there is, for many a satisfaction from honing skills, sharing them and developing others skills.)

Over the years I have utilised some tips making and losing but still reading the magazines because the give pointers to what is on the screens of others in the market and also alternative strategy ideas. Generally, for me, they are a better read than the daily newspapers or fiction. (I see them as reality bound fiction.)

One thing one has to learn about the market is to take responsibility for ones own actions, and if you make mistakes, learn from them. The journalist is not your father and if you are chancing your luck in the market you should not behave as a child.

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Been following this thread for a while now. Didn't they suggest ASOS, Marchpole this year and TelecomPlus last year? Everyone knows the risk when buying shares, or if you didnt, you should. Nothing is guaranteed or we would all be millionaires. Who's to say where EPO will be in a years time. My advice is never dive in and buy a share on the sayso of someone else. Follow it and get a feel for it first. Stock selection is not easy even for the so called experts.

makes sense 2 800k sells and the price goes up.

I know nothing - but what I see is company that's been high on promise and low on reward - indeed almost every investor has lost money. What of the Company - well if they had a technology that was earth-shattering how come Management didn't notice Baltimore nicking it? It really begs the question as to whether this technology is what the Market wants (or needs!). The Baltimore angle is a side-show to the real problem IMHO. - - -
What are people doing with payment on the internet - it seems to me it's just fine, as it is.
Will Earthport offer a faster service? I can't see that.
Will Earthport be more secure? That is doubtful and not really tested, so we don't know. Does anyone care?
Will it be cheaper? Doubtful they are going to do a lot of advertising and promotion to shift the existing-players! That costs!
What does Earthport offer the Internet Market that isn't already covered - except they are about four years later (than the rest of the UK) and maybe more years in terms of the US internet payments scene.

Therefore,
What does Earthport offer UK investors?
[[ Both Earthport (and Bioprogress) are largly hopeful of US market sales - and we know this often results in moving to Nasdac and the effective confusion over here. Have there ever been dual-listed companies that have done well for the UK Retail Shareholders? I'm interested because PYM is going this route and it worries me. ] ]

Could TF give us his consider opinion on these points? - I read his piece in today's Shares, but I still don't find answers to the above, sorry.

Has this thread been edited?

My post (carefully considered ) on EPO along with some odd exchanges have suddenly been lost ( since 11am Thursday ) ((Earthport ready to fly = thread)).

It might not have been the most brilliant post ever, but it did ask just what EPO offers the internet banking service that they don't have already. It costs money to displace the existing providers and so what benefits will the Banks get? I just don't see it. All investors have lost money from 2000 and that's a long time to get into the Market if you have a really good product.

If my post is lost, who cares?
Well I do!

Has this thread been edited?

My post (carefully considered ) on EPO along with some odd exchanges have suddenly been lost ( since 11am Thursday ) ((Earthport ready to fly = thread)).

It might not have been the most brilliant post ever, but it did ask just what EPO offers the internet banking service that they don't have already. It costs money to displace the existing providers and so what benefits will the Banks get? I just don't see it. All investors have lost money from 2000 and that's a long time to get into the Market if you have a really good product.