Velocity
- 20 Jan 2005 21:49
I suspect trading tomorrow will probably answer this conundrum, but I know there are some far wiser owls than me that contribute to this bb & I would be interested in their opinions.
My question is this: the chart below looks to me like a pullback of the uptrend (ie when it went north through 14.00) however I am unsure as it has now broken down through 14.00 whether this is trending up or down :-(
So what do you think - up or down, or should I just flip a coin :-)) ?
goldfinger
- 01 Feb 2012 11:36
- 463 of 960
Brokers have turned very positive in
recent days on this stock look at all the
BUYS. EMG MAN GROUP
Hemscott Premium...........
Man Group PLC
FORECASTS 2012 2013
Date Rec Pre-tax (£) EPS (p) DPS (p) Pre-tax (£) EPS (p) DPS (p)
Arbuthnot Securities
31-01-12 BUY 231.22 12.15 10.92
SG Securities
31-01-12 BUY 12.89 19.05 13.88 14.35
Peel Hunt
30-01-12 BUY 226.02 9.92 10.52 468.69 20.57 15.30
Numis Securities Ltd
27-01-12 BUY 222.23 8.99 14.26 222.53 9.31 14.33
Singer Capital Markets Ltd
23-01-12 BUY 219.94 9.06 14.10 258.39 11.27 14.17
Charles Stanley
20-01-12 HOLD
Investec Securities
07-12-11 BUY 158.49 13.11 15.74 249.02 20.87 16.34
The Royal Bank of Scotland NV
28-11-11 HOLD 361.36 15.61 13.73 405.75 17.63 13.73
Eden Group
03-11-11 BUY
Execution Noble
29-09-11 NEUT 226.38 9.24 13.99 469.53 19.80 12.07
Evolution Securities Ltd
18-07-11 BUY 266.24 11.96 473.94 21.46
Keefe Bruyette & Woods Ltd
23-05-11 UNDP
2012 2013
Pre-tax (£) EPS (p) DPS (p) Pre-tax (£) EPS (p) DPS (p)
Consensus 327.48 15.42 14.52 423.13 18.38 14.72
1 Month Change -50.87 -3.30 -0.30 -80.75 -3.71 -0.52
3 Month Change -70.06 -4.25 -0.87 -98.88 -4.47 -0.28
Notes to forecasts
Change of year end from March 2012 to December 2011
GROWTH
2011 (A) 2012 (E) 2013 (E)
Norm. EPS -8.25% -9.77% 19.21%
DPS -21.80% -32.14% 1.37%
INVESTMENT RATIOS
2011 (A) 2012 (E) 2013 (E)
EBITDA £384.90m £363.16m £438.93m
EBIT £335.62m £275.34m £401.69m
Dividend Yield 18.49% 12.55% 12.72%
Dividend Cover 0.80x 1.06x 1.25x
PER 6.77x 7.50x 6.29x
PEG -0.82f -0.77f 0.33f
Net Asset Value PS 53.73p 112.56p 104.62p
goldfinger
- 01 Feb 2012 15:27
- 464 of 960
Brokers getting bullish with the target SP since start of new year......
Date Broker name New Price Old price target New price target Broker change
16-Jan-12 UBS Buy 110.30p 210.00p 160.00p
11-Jan-12 Singer Capital Markets Buy 104.50p 230.00p 140.00p Reiteration
140p and 160p SP targets respectively.
Chris Carson
- 01 Feb 2012 15:36
- 465 of 960
Worth a punt GF in @ 119.5 initial target 140.0 stop 109.5
goldfinger
- 01 Feb 2012 20:52
- 466 of 960
Yep most certainly Chris. Lets hope we get a general follow through day tommorow on the FTSE.
goldfinger
- 02 Feb 2012 08:33
- 468 of 960
From tipster over the road at t1ps.......
Arbuthnot's target price is 192p
goldfinger
- 02 Feb 2012 12:30
- 469 of 960
CHART OF THE DAY ON INVESTORS INTELIGENCE
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UK Chart of the Day: 2 February 2012
Chart of the day: Man Group testing downtrend resistance...
Is Man Group's long-term downtrend over? Yesterday saw the stock break the short-term downtrend, as prices rallied above 120p (see right). More interestingly, the stock is now probing the pattern of falling highs.
Technically, the stock has scope for a further rally. First, prices are far beneath its long-term 150-day moving average. This increases the probability of 'mean reversion'. Second, it is not overbought. Third, the current rally saw most former underperformers reversing their downtrends. The rank speculation in equities may spill over to Man Group.
Chris Carson
- 02 Feb 2012 15:37
- 470 of 960
Stop to entry for risk free trade.
Chris Carson
- 03 Feb 2012 15:32
- 471 of 960
Stop to 129.5 to lock in + 10
hangon
- 04 Feb 2012 00:48
- 472 of 960
Hope so, goldfinger as I bought some on IC's REC. - seems their investments are unlikely to get any worse and Markets have been selling MAN(EMG) in the belief it will get much worse . . . . whilst there are still unresolved Euro-issues, the rest of the World goes on and things are made, sold and enjoyed - so I guess a little flutter in MAN(EMG) is not too dumb. - Time will tell.
HARRYCAT
- 01 Mar 2012 08:13
- 473 of 960
StockMarketWire.com
Hedge fund manager Man Group reported statutory profit before tax from continuing operations of $193m for the nine months to end-December.
This was in line with estimates in the January trading statement.
Funds under management (FUM) at end-February were estimated at $59.5bn (31st December 2011: $58.4bn), reflecting positive investment performance partially offset by net outflows and guaranteed product de-gears.
At 27th February, AHL was 10.9% below high water mark on a weighted average basis.
Man AHL Diversified plc is up 2.5% in the year to 27th February 2012.
At 24th February, two thirds of GLG funds were above or within 5% of performance fee highs.
The calendar year to 24th February performance for key GLG UCITS strategies: European Equity Alternative +6.0%, North American Equity Alternative +4.0%, Alpha Select +5.2%, Global Convertibles +8.4%, Emerging Markets +6.9%, Atlas Macro -0.4%, Japan Core Alpha +19.3%, Global Equity +11.3%.
Mmanagement fees: 100% of adjusted management fee earnings per share to be paid out in each financial year by way of ordinary dividend.
Performance fees: net performance fee earnings will be added to available capital surpluses and distributed to shareholders over time by way of higher dividend payments and/or share repurchases.
The Board intends to apply this policy in 2012 to pay a total dividend for the year of 22 cents per share.
The Board confirms that it will recommend a final dividend of 7.0 cents per share for the nine months to end-December, giving a total dividend for the period of 16.5 cents per share.
After a capital buffer, Man currently has surplus regulatory capital of over $550m.
HARRYCAT
- 01 Mar 2012 11:22
- 474 of 960
Numis summary note:
"Valuations: We continue to see one-year forward ROE vs. PBV as a good predictor of longer-term valuations. Given the recent gains in Man Group shares from the lows of 104.5p (up 32%), we see the pace of further valuation gains as dependent on reporting surprises on AUM levels in a challenging environment.
We continue to retain a BUY on a one-year forward ROE basis (2013E) and see fair value at 182p, which includes a 27p option premium for performance fees.
This stock thus remains a longer play on valuations and performance fees returning, in our view."
Chris Carson
- 14 Mar 2012 12:31
- 475 of 960
Long on the spreads today @ 144.1
Trading statement 17/04 Ex Divi 25/04
ahoj
- 04 Apr 2012 09:38
- 477 of 960
Chris,
How much is the dividend, the date, please?
HARRYCAT
- 04 Apr 2012 10:23
- 478 of 960
Ex divi 25th Apr '12. 7.0¢
ahoj
- 04 Apr 2012 10:25
- 479 of 960
Thanks HC.
That's about 8 p.
Chris Carson
- 04 Apr 2012 10:41
- 480 of 960
ahoj - stopped out on the spreads, still hold a few for the divi, watching for a re- entry on the spreads chart not promising at mo.
HARRYCAT
- 12 Apr 2012 14:10
- 481 of 960
RBCapital note:
More negative news for Man Group. We believe the shares could continue to be under pressure.
First Impression
Yesterday Moody’s placed all debt ratings of Man on review for possible downgrade; Moody’s currently rates Man’s senior debt at Baa2. Moody’s believes that “the strength and stability of Man’s future revenue and earning streams has weakened due to recent business trends.” Moody’s also states that the rating reviews reflects “continuing challenges” in the company’s core business, and specifically notes:
• Ongoing pressures on earnings, margins and FUM growth which are “unlikely to return to historic levels in the near term.” Moody’s believes the worsening outlook for Man is “the result of general market pressures as well as weaker sales of guaranteed products, changes in Man’s product mix toward lower margin products … and the lower margins achieved by the GLG product range, leading to overall lower margins.”
• Moody’s also notes “continued underperformance from key funds” which leave them “below high-water marks, despite the improvement of equity markets.” Indeed, yesterday Man Group also reported that AHL fell 2.5% week-on-week, leaving it over 13% from high water-mark, in our opinion.
• Moody’s also believes that pressures on the hedge fund business will call “into question the sustainability of high fees.” We note that AHL charges higher fees than its peers, which include Aspect and Winton.
Moody’s will evaluate Q1 results and evaluate the “likelihood of a sustainable turnaround in FUM trends,” and the “potential for improvement in earnings.” Moody’s did note that Man maintains “strong liquidity with a healthy net cash position.” At 31 Dec 2011, while Man had $1,066m in borrowings, it also had $1,639m in cash leaving the company in a net cash position of $573m. Moody’s also notes the positive effects from Man’s cost savings plan, Man’s “improved product, geography and investor base,” and the company’s continued “strong market position in the alternative investments industry.”
We agree with Moody’s and believe the negatives and positives noted in Moody’s report are accurate and reasonable. While we believe that Man’s debt ratings should have minimal impact on financial results (largely as a result of Man’s net cash position), we believe that it is likely that Man could indeed be downgraded and this would be negative for sentiment. We continue to believe that in the absence of strong AHL performance and the cessation of outflows, we fail to see positive catalysts in the near-term. Thus, it is possible that Man Group’s share price may be volatile and continue to underperform.
ahoj
- 12 Apr 2012 14:26
- 482 of 960
Which banks are going to get money out of 65bln repaid by Lehman?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/84de9064-8427-11e1-9d54-00144feab49a.html#axzz1rpecfkYZ