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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 22 Jul 2016 15:31 - 4654 of 12628

Dumbo,

You are entitled to your beliefs, and values, however, baseless they are.

(Hold onto them, you never know what is around the next corner and perhaps they will keep you feeling safe.)


jimmy b - 22 Jul 2016 15:38 - 4655 of 12628

You defend every act of terrorism FACT , there is always a reason in your world .
You call people Dumbo and other childish names does that not make you a prat ?
I do not need anyone to keep me safe i can assure you, i am far better travelled and worldly wise than you .
Not wanting this small island filling up with 300 thousand new mostly unqualified people every year is not wrong and no one else on here thinks so as well , now run along and have your evening drink .

Fred1new - 22 Jul 2016 16:42 - 4656 of 12628

Dumbo,

When I consider you, I think my choice of Dumbo as a name, feels apt.
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I cannot think of any occasion on this board when I have defended acts of "terrorism".
However, I think many so-called acts of "terrorism", if thought about, can be seen as responses by those who committing such actions as their "rightful" responses to perceived "abuses" they have received at the hands of those they are trying to “harm” or “kill”. (Ignorance of the individual “harmed” and grouping them as foreigners, immigrants, or UKIPPERS etc. .)
(Wars are won by victors, believing in their right to “justifiable” murder. If they had lost, their adversaries would have justified similar actions in order to justify gaining the win.)
Also, they justify their actions for "change" by utilising the weapons, which appear available to them. The result of a plane or drone dropping its bombs at 30,00ft is little difference in its effect to the individual than being shot in the back or kill by a grenade.
Trying to understand the “reason” for “terrorism” may lead to reduction of, or prevent the ongoing carnage. That does not mean one should not attempt to arrest, prevent or prosecute, even kill those committing acts of terrorism.
The justifications for terrorism, is “questionable”, as are some of your arguments about the consequences of “immigration” and the EE.
But, perhaps, their “beliefs” are as strongly held as some of your seem to be.
I still think that much of the propaganda around the referendum was fraudulent and also, seen by many to be deliberately fanning racial tension for “political” benefits.
If I have other information I might modify that opinion.

Have a good weekend.


PS. Allowing only the "qualified" immigrant into a country could be seen as a modern day form of pillaging, or piracy of another country, especially if the immigrant's country is less develop.

But that is OK..

Or is it?

jimmy b - 22 Jul 2016 17:01 - 4657 of 12628

You are a liar as well as an idiot and thick as they come . Your views are far more radical than anyone on here.

Fred1new - 22 Jul 2016 17:13 - 4658 of 12628

Thank you for your considered opinion.

Can't see much wrong in radical thinking, rather than "stuck in the rut" thinking, as long as the actions from it are moderate and responsible for all.

-=-=-=-

Not sure about that weekend.

Perhaps, you should "calm down dear" and find a secluded refuge for a little peace and quiet.

But don't venture abroad, you may be mistaken for a migrant.

Haystack - 22 Jul 2016 17:53 - 4659 of 12628

Shooting incident in Munich, one death, multiple injuries

jimmy b - 22 Jul 2016 18:19 - 4660 of 12628

Sounds bad on the news at 6 , they don't know who it is yet .

Haystack - 22 Jul 2016 18:46 - 4661 of 12628

Now saying multi deaths

jimmy b - 22 Jul 2016 19:19 - 4662 of 12628

Police say they think there are several attackers, who are on the run ..

Haystack - 22 Jul 2016 19:23 - 4663 of 12628

Reports of 6 deaths and 3 shooters

cynic - 22 Jul 2016 23:06 - 4664 of 12628

Allowing only the "qualified" immigrant into a country could be seen as a modern day form of pillaging, or piracy of another country, especially if the immigrant's country is less develop.
But that is OK..
Or is it?

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of course it's ok
if you take your country as being your club - not an unreasonable analogy - then you allow in those whom you feel fit in and/or "add value" to the club ...... it's not pillaging or piracy or any other such pejorative term that you (fred) wish to attach ..... it's called being selective as one has every right to be

jimmy b - 22 Jul 2016 23:10 - 4665 of 12628

It's just Fred being an asshole again , i'm sure he will be back to justify the horrific attacks in Munich this evening .

Chris Carson - 22 Jul 2016 23:41 - 4666 of 12628

Listen guys Fred is a Twat, we all recognise that. He's sat at home gin soaked, wearing his Wheel Tappers And Shunters Flat Cap, portrait of Neil Kinnock (signed) adorning his tiled coal fire place as he lolls in his flea invested armchair. His poor wife is subject to escape by playing Bingo down the local Mecca 5 nights a week cause she knows she will get some peace Saturday and Sunday cause Fred will be absent down the local Labour Club.

Just ignore the knobhead, let him rant his usual bile, post his cartoons, tell he's Welsh his English is shite!

Chris Carson - 23 Jul 2016 00:02 - 4667 of 12628

PPS Fred what did your countrymen vote for? They are all dicheads as well eh? Ah well, takes one to no one Freda.

Dil - 23 Jul 2016 01:59 - 4668 of 12628

My answer to this shit is to knock every Mosque down in the UK/Europe and if you don't fecking like it piss off somewhere else.

FFS we aren't a Muslim country and we aren't a Muslim continent , religion is a total fecking joke imo and the sooner the whole world realises it the better.

Dil - 23 Jul 2016 02:29 - 4669 of 12628

And before you start Fred if they knocked every Church down too I wouldn't complain.

God and Allah ... two non existent entities imo if who it weren't for their peddled crap into the minds of the masses from birth would have made this world a better place.

I got Christened in an incubator , just me and the Vicar and survived because of the medical staff and not because of some miracle.

Someone name a bigger a killer than religion !

VICTIM - 23 Jul 2016 07:36 - 4670 of 12628

What happened to May's meeting with Hollande , haven't heard much about it , seems strange , unless i missed it .

MaxK - 23 Jul 2016 07:50 - 4671 of 12628

Try ideology Dil, same thing ish, different flavour.

Fred1new - 23 Jul 2016 08:13 - 4672 of 12628

Dumbo, Dil and Manuel.

Useful quote for you.


"Intolerance is the most socially acceptable form of egotism, for it permits us to assume superiority without personal boasting."

VICTIM - 23 Jul 2016 08:26 - 4673 of 12628

Bollox.
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