Red Emperor Resources (RMP) is an ASX and AIM listed natural resources exploration company
with interests in the frontier state of Puntland, Somalia and the Republic of
Georgia.

* In Puntland, Red Emperor holds a 20% working interest in two licences
encompassing the highly prospective Dharoor and Nugaal valleys. These two
exploration areas cover over 36,000km2. The first well in a two well
programme spudded with drilling also commenced on the second well in
January 2012 targeting 300mmbls and 375mmbbls of best estimate Prospective
Resources (100% basis). Site construction has commenced on the second well
with the setting of the 30 inch surface casing and the drilling of a 50
meter pilot hole in readiness for spudding following the completion of the
first well.

* In the Republic of Georgia, Red Emperor has a 20% working interest in
onshore blocks VIa and VIb, covering approx. 6,500km2. Joint Venture
partner Range Resources Limited (ASX: RRS | AIM: RRL) previously funded a
410km 2D seismic program with independent consultants RPS Energy
identifying 68 potential structures containing an estimated 2.045 billion
barrels of oilinplace (on a mean 100% basis) with the first (Mukhiani-1)
of two exploration wells having spudded in July in 2011. Re-interpreted
seismic supported by the Mukhiani-1 vertical seismic profiling has
identified new fault and stratigraphic trapping potential with the
possibility of a side track well to be drilled post additional seismic in
2H 2012.



As at 8th March 2012, the Company has 206,681,755 ordinary
shares in issue. The Company holds no shares in treasury and each share carries
one vote. This figure may be used by shareholders in the Company as the
denominator for calculations by which they will determine if they are required
to notify their interest in, or a change to their interest, under the
Disclosure and Transparency Rules.

ptholden, again my only personal view as post 53 explains. You have your views i have mine.

DC, you've stated that you think (rightly or wrongly) that you believe the SP is being held back, I'm simply asking you how you think that is achieved? I'm not picking you up or expressing a view either way. Simple queston.

Like I said the other evening. Please correct me if i am wrong. It would be so good if everyone worked together, we are only here to make money. cannot see any other
reason. Sitting in my seat, could you not say no I disagree with you its this or that.
I can answer your post 54 but feel you are going to disagree ( please again i may be wrong) but i do not want to get in a long debate who is right and wrong.

So in others words, this is a comment you've read on another thread maybe on this board or perhaps elsewhere and you've decided this is why RMP isn't going up like you'd like?

Generally, in normal market conditions, share prices go down because there are more sellers than buyers and don't move, when market opinion is matched or no one is really interested. Conspiracy theories are marvellous for explaining why the stock you have just bought is doing badly rather than admitting you've bought a pile of crap. Such theories delay the point at which you're going to have to admit to a mistake, the ego prefers you blame something else.

There you go ptholden.

LoL

I was curious as to whether you knew how a SP could be held back, it is possible, but I'm not 100% sure how it is done with a SETsMM stock. (I don't know if RMP is a SETsMM stock).

I was hoping you knew, but unfortunately you've just re-posted a semi-urban myth with no knowledge yourself if it's true. It's a bit like saying a 'SP is going to rocket tomorrow' or 'I wouldn't want to be out of this over the weekend.'

dc, point 2 is more true of what was said earlier.



Some tricks of the Market Makers
1. An institution places a big order for a stock. The market maker doesn't have enough stock to complete the transaction so he has two options 1) drop the price to trigger sales 2) increase the price to trigger sales. If the price is dropped other buyers may be tempted in and the market maker may still be short of stock and owe the institution shares it is guaranteed to provide. So sometimes for no apparent reason the stock price drops dramatically, a so called "tree shake" to trigger stop losses and allow the market maker to pick up the stock he needs.
2. If a particular share rises dramatically on an announcement, market makers sell stock to meet these orders and sometimes they sell these buyers stock they don't actually own in anticipation that they'll able to pick up stock more cheaply in the future to meet these buy orders when the share price reverses down. By gathering shares at a lower price they can meet the obligations of the buyers at a profit. This is why the share price can often drift down for days or week after a big announcement so that the Market Maker can guarantee that they can deliver all the shares they have promised by triggering sales.

That is what you can see here the sp launched at 30p slowly drifted down, with small bounces. Also the bad market conditions . MMs now collecting the shares that investors have sold to sell on with what should be good news or if bad news will have a lot more in their hands.

All very good DC, but MMs don't invest in shares which is what you are suggesting. What happens if the SP tanks on bad news? Oh yes, the MMs are stuck with any number of shares at a loss. Unless they have an order to fill they will be moved on tout suite!

You will have to take it up with he Investors chronicle if they have got it wrong as you think?

This is word for word from - www.invesreschronicle.co.uk/.../shares-understanding-
level-2market-makers- dma.jsp

Education Segment - Tricks of the Market Makers
Sunday, April 11, 2010 at 2:10PM
On the London Stock Exchange (LSE) there are Market Makers for many smaller companies and less heavily traded shares. Market Makers are financial institutions who have agreed with their clients (the quoted company) and who have been approved by regulators to make a market in the shares of the client. Their role is to guarantee a market in a particular share so that investors can buy and sell easily i.e. they make a lightly traded share more liquid. They in effect assume some risk in return for the chance of the profit on the spread by acting as the middleman. Each stock always has at least two market makers and they are obliged to deal. Even if no other trader on the other side of the trade at a particular time, market makers will guarantee to buy and sell the shares in which they make markets. They make their money through the difference between the buying and selling price, the so called bid-offer spread. The bid price for a stock is the price at which the market maker is currently willing to buy, or is bidding for, shares. The ask price is where the market maker is currently willing to sell, or is asking for, shares. The bid price is always lower than the ask price so the market maker can make money on the spread.

Market Makers are not supposed to allow themselves to go short, but in process of making a market they may well find themselves short of a stock. If this situation they can purchase from another Market Maker, move the price to get the shares from sellers of the stock or borrow the shares from an institutional investor. Therefore a market maker can make money in both rising or falling markets, as long as they correctly predict which way a stock's price will move. The more actively a share is traded the more money a Market Maker makes so they will try and encourage trading of a particular stock by moving the price up or down to bring buyers or sellers into a market.

Some tricks of the Market Makers
1. An institution places a big order for a stock. The market maker doesn't have enough stock to complete the transaction so he has two options 1) drop the price to trigger sales 2) increase the price to trigger sales. If the price is dropped other buyers may be tempted in and the market maker may still be short of stock and owe the institution shares it is guaranteed to provide. So sometimes for no apparent reason the stock price drops dramatically, a so called "tree shake" to trigger stop losses and allow the market maker to pick up the stock he needs.
2. If a particular share rises dramatically on an announcement, market makers sell stock to meet these orders and sometimes they sell these buyers stock they don't actually own in anticipation that they'll able to pick up stock more cheaply in the future to meet these buy orders when the share price reverses down. By gathering shares at a lower price they can meet the obligations of the buyers at a profit. This is why the share price can often drift down for days or week after a big announcement so that the Market Maker can guarantee that they can deliver all the shares they have promised by triggering sales.

Put this post in for investors to read and infact learn all the tricks that go on -



Shares: Understanding Level 2, market makers & DMA
Created:23 April 2008Updated:24 April 2008Written by:Simon Dixon
Having worked as a market maker on the FTSE, Plus Markets and the Alternative Investment Market (Aim), I have witnessed drastic changes in the way that individuals and institutions can trade the UK markets. When I first left the City and the information privileges that went with the territory, it really affected my ability to profit from the markets. In response, I decided to look for ways to bridge the information gap between the institutional trader and the individual trader.

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In recent years, the UK market has moved away from the old quote-driven system and successfully embraced electronic trading. With modern trading platforms that offer live Level 2 data at an affordable cost and direct market access (DMA), the individual now has all the advantages that were previously only available to banks, brokerages and the like. For example, trading in the pre-and post-market auctions is no longer restricted to institutions, giving private investors access to the favourable prices that institutions have enjoyed for years. What's more, the benefit of smaller trade sizes offers individuals an edge over larger institutions.

Having access to cutting-edge technology is all well and good, but if you don't know how to exploit the information now available, it's actually pretty useless. With this in mind, I will guide you through using Level 2 data to interpret price action and show you the advantages that DMA can offer you.

Up until 1997, UK shares operated on a quote-driven system with competing market makers offering different spreads. Since then, larger blue-chip companies have been electronically traded through an order book system, significantly reducing the spreads on UK shares. There are three main trading services for UK shares:

SEAQ: A quote-driven system, in which market makers advertise a bid-offer spread and brokers engage in telephone execution of orders.

SETS: An electronic order-book system where anonymous bids and offers are left and matched on a book.

SETSmm: A hybrid of SEAQ and SETS, in which market makers provide quotes combined with an electronic order book system.

Knowledge of each system is essential if you want to achieve better execution and understand market sentiment.

SEAQ

The majority of Aim stocks and other small- to mid-cap companies trade using the competing market maker system called SEAQ, or Stock Exchange Automated Quotation. The number of market makers competing to make a market in any particular stock vary. The number of market makers will clearly affect the general liquidity of that stock. The fewer the market makers, the more volatile the stock will be in response to a small buy or sell order. The Level 2 screen for SEAQ stock Eros International is shown in Figure 1 below.

Figure 1




The Level 2 for Eros can be seen below the yellow strip. In this example, the bid price the price at which you can sell stock consists of two market makers, Winterflood Securities and Evolution. Both are bidding for 3,000 shares at 3.83. The offer price at which you can buy consists of the same two market makers offering 3,000 shares each at 3.93.

Each market maker is represented by a mnemonic (EVO is Evolution). Also displayed are the minimum dealing size (3,000 shares here), a two-way price (for buying and selling) and the time at which the quote was last changed.

There are two ways to execute a trade in a SEAQ stock by telephone or through a network called a Retail Service Provider (RSP). Telephone orders can only be taken from brokers approaching a market maker on the Stock Exchange internal telephone exchange (STX). The RSP allows stockbrokers and internet-based traders to deal with market makers electronically, often at an improved price.

The RSP system was originally developed so that market makers did not have to deal with small orders over the telephone. Since then, RSP orders have come to account for around 90 per cent of all SEAQ trades. For larger trades, it is often necessary to get your broker to speak to the market maker directly.

It is worth noting here that market makers will do anything to hide the fact that they might have an institutional order and often push prices and advertise false signals in order to trick the unprepared trader into thinking that a stock is better bid for or better offered at a given moment in time. For example, if there are four market makers on the bid and only one on the offer, this does not definitely indicate that the stock is better bid and therefore is due a move up. The market maker on the offer on Level 2 may or may not be a decent seller he is just as likely to be a buyer, holding the stock down. The market maker may only be obliged to sell a small number of shares on the offer, but if he has an institutional buy order it may be a small price to pay. If he does, he will be advertising himself as a seller on Level 2 and bidding for stock with a large improvement on the bid side of the RSP.

The key is to identify what is commonly referred to among institutions as 'the AX': the market maker who is most central to the price action of a specific security. We need to distinguish between the AX and the market makers who falsely push prices up and down in the short term for book-keeping purposes. The broker to the issuing company is often the AX. Each listed company has a broker that acts as corporate adviser to the company and often corporate financier for the flotation, placing or other corporate activity. Such a broker often makes a market in the stock and holds most of the institutional orders and business in the stock. They are distinguishable from other market makers as they often advertise a larger size on Level 2, or offer a narrower spread than other market makers. To download a comprehensive list of market makers and their corresponding codes visit www.benedixinvestments.com and look at the 'downloads' section of the site. The AX often provides the clues to institutional business, which drives stocks up and down.

Figure 2




Brokers and institutions with larger orders than those bid and offered on screen will leave an order with a market maker. Market makers and brokers spend a great deal of time building relationships and market etiquette prevents them from doing the rounds of market makers and splitting the order up into smaller chunks. Often, you will see prices move without a corresponding print on the time and sales screen, as the market maker will be working a larger order for an institution or broker, which will not be printed until the end of the day. Such transactions are marked with a 'T' to represent a protected trade. Figure 2, above, shows 250,000 shares booked out from protection at 390. Look for protected trades at the end of the day as they often signify an institutional order that could create a bias in a stocks direction. A comprehensive list of trade codes is also available on www.benedixinvestments.com

A stock can fall all day long for no apparent reason. Once the sell order that has been worked all day gets trade-reported, the reason for the fall becomes a lot clearer.

Figure 3



Momentum traders often specialise in trading market-maker challenges. Market makers will often deal among themselves, especially when one appears to be holding a stock up or down against the other market makers' interest. If a market maker is artificially holding a stock up or down and is challenged by another market maker, there is often a short-term momentum play that can dramatically push a price in one direction or the other. When a market maker runs around the market challenging, the trade is reported with an 'M' next to it. It is, however, a trick of the market makers to print 'M' trades in order to attract momentum players' interest to fill their larger institutional orders. An 'M' trade can be seen in Figure 3 above.

SETS

Level 2 provides the trader with an informed image of the supply and demand situation in the market, but must be used in conjunction with other supply and demand factors. When watching Level 2, remember that a market maker has taken the other side of your order and so it is important to watch market-maker behaviour when determining market sentiment. But this is not the case with order-driven systems like SETS, which has proved unpopular with market makers, who are used to having more control over prices. The London Stock Exchange (LSE) has converted more and more stocks to SETSmm.

SETS is a completely electronic system through which buyers and sellers are automatically matched, eliminating the need for market makers. That said, market makers still perform the role of executing the larger institutional orders. Figure 4 below, shows a SETS Level 2 screen for Partygaming.

Figure 4



The yellow strip represents the touch price the best bid and offer. Full market depth Level 2 can be seen below the yellow strip.

The market depth is made up of limit orders placed on a book giving priority first to price then time.

The biggest advantage of order-driven systems is that individuals can now use DMA to buy on the bid and sell at the offer, eliminating the spread. You can leave limit orders on the book outside of the touch price allowing you to benefit from auctions, volatility and mistaken orders, known in the market as 'fat finger trades'. However, as news hits the screens you can be left on the wrong side of a sharp movement. It is now possible for traders all over the world to make a price rather than just a few market makers.

Although Level 2 has brought much greater insight to the independent trader, there are still tricks available to larger institutions and traders who wish to cover their tracks. For example, the delayed printing of orders often causes larger institutional orders to drive a market before the explaining order is printed for all to see.

Level 2 on SETS is great for better execution but, owing to the nature of the system, traders who are new to Level 2 can waste a lot of time speculating on 'fake' orders. You will frequently see large orders on the book that disappear as soon as they approach the touch price. One common scenario is an institution with a large sell order putting a large order on the bid side of Level 2 slightly lower than the touch price. The inexperienced trader will interpret this as a support level. The institution has spoofed the market into buying the stock he wishes to sell and, if the bid side approaches his large order, it will cancel automatically. This type of behaviour is very common indeed.

On Level 2, you can often spot larger trades by looking out for an iceberg order. Iceberg orders are used to disguise larger orders by an automatic reloading facility. For example, an institution may have an order to sell 1m shares and can leave an iceberg order on the book to sell 10 tranches of 100,000 shares, which will automatically reload every time the offer is lifted until the 1m shares are sold. This reveals the orders true size and thus prevents panic sellers from causing the price to fall away.

SETSmm

SETSmm was introduced in response to the improved trading conditions that SETS brought about among the larger blue-chip companies, namely lower transaction costs, higher liquidity and tighter spreads. SETSmm is an electronic order book that has additional support from market makers. A SETSmm Level 2 screen can be seen in Figure 5 below.

Figure 5




You will notice market maker quotes alongside anonymous orders on level 2. You can spot the market makers' price by the mnemonic next to their bid and offer. It is worth noting that market makers are also able to leave anonymous orders on the book alongside their quotes. The advantage of SETSmm is that traders can use direct market access to eliminate the spread, at the same time as market makers are providing added liquidity.

Since SETSmm stocks are less liquid than SETS stocks, they are subject to more manipulation by brokers and market makers alike. By watching the touch screen you can place a very small order on the bid or offer and watch computer systems jump in front of you with larger-sized bids and offers automatically generated by program trades.

An old trick often used much to the chagrin of market makers is to add a false bid to the touch price in very small size, pushing the price up temporarily at the same time as selling your order on the RSP at the better price. After the order is filled, the DMA trader will remove the bid after execution.

Another ploy is to post a large buy order near to the touch price. Other traders will try to beat the bid and place orders in front in the belief that there is large size behind the bid. The DMA trader can then flip sides and remove the bid order, hit the stock down to its original level, leaving the buyers on the wrong side of a larger sell order.

The advantages of Level 2 and DMA are clear indeed, if you trade without them you're subject to larger dealing costs and you'll have a much less informed picture of true supply and demand. Distinguishing between the genuine moves backed by institutional orders and the manipulated moves on the other side of institutional orders is of major importance in shorter term trading. Even the long-term investor can get a lot out of understanding the execution of institutional orders and the benefits of entering and exiting at the correct time and price.

Dc, your understanding of the relevance of that article is what is wrong, not the article itself. But I'd forgotten I was trying to talk sense to someone who thinks the SAS is looking after RRLs interests in Puntland.

If you want to believe every conspiracy theory that is posted on a BB to explain why the SP of the speculative company you have invested in is sinking then that's entirely your affair; but trying to find excuses for buying that speculative crap will only increase your losses unless you get lucky.

YOU NEVER GIVE UP ptholden. You seem to have it in for me your are just looking blood- stupid mate . Give it a rest. You sound jelous of someone having a chance of making money. Just read through what you have posted I have made you look a
total ----. Sorry you are now squelched, do not give up the day job, as you think you know it all, as readers read this you have done yourself no favours. Sounds like you think you are one of the old school on here and do not like a new poster that seems to get on well with a few on here.


Perhaps you would even argue this, and make it 5. 2+2 = 4





Find someone else to wind up. I thought you were balanced at first, but oh no.
You have never had a good word to say. Does not add up sorry.

Do your self a favour and squelch me, then everyone else will not have to read your ---- either, they must be bored too.

dreamcatcher you'l find that ptholden is a pain in the arse, take it from me he does start disagreeing with anyone, and he usually has an accomplice namely Halifax! wonder where he is these days???..

So nice to have you agree grannyboy. You take the time to give him an answer.
He was set up in the last question he asked. I left off the header at the top of the answer, which I took from a top investment mag. Then He tried to say I was wrong.
HAHAHAHA. I think he is so ----- he did not even see this. I do not mind anyone having a go. This man is a joker. Thanks again grannyboy

He does like to be in pairs, a very weak individual. Probably lost a lot of money here at a guess and takes it out on others. NOT ME.

Yes you try and have reasonable dialogue with him but you can't!, he just seems to argue for the sake of it!!..

You can read what he makes up(sums it up) such a lovely button that squelch one.
Peace at last. lol

Lol and the wonderfully unbiased grannyboy appears, another pillar of the BB community :)

DC, like just about everyone who claims to have used the squelched button you won't be able to resist having a wee peek!

Oddly enough I've been trying to help you make money rather than lose it, but I'm afraid like grannyboy, gibby and many more you can't take criticism or advice; you'd rather plod along leaving everything to chance and eventually you will disappear from am having lost every penny never to be seen again. There are many others who have done exactly the same before you. Anyway have a nice day, I have a round of golf to play:)