I suspect trading tomorrow will probably answer this conundrum, but I know there are some far wiser owls than me that contribute to this bb & I would be interested in their opinions.

My question is this: the chart below looks to me like a pullback of the uptrend (ie when it went north through 14.00) however I am unsure as it has now broken down through 14.00 whether this is trending up or down :-(

So what do you think - up or down, or should I just flip a coin :-)) ?

Non farm payrolls were the death knell this pm.

It's not good but the whole market hasn't crumbled, housebuilders bearing the brunt of the decline and overall the FTSE is down around 2%. I believe it will get even cheaper giving good opportunities to pick up quality stocks at a reasonable price. Good luck all.
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mitzy two fat ladies hope you are not one of them!

I think 60p is the true value.

bugger!!

baler looking at the red here you havent bought emg also have you?! :-(((

good for shorting though :-))))))

terrible decline here only real chance is a US co buy out but no one wants emg for some strange reason lol!

been in for far too long and stuck here now gib.,. :(

Whats happening behind the scene is anyones guess.

Disclosure of Short Position relating to UK Financial Sector Company
1. Full name of person(s) holding the disclosable short position - Carlson Capital, L.P.
2: Name of the issuer of the relevant securities Man Group Plc
3: Disclosable short position .30% of issued share capital
4. Date that disclosable short position was held 4th May 2012

Looks to me that shortsellers are rather closer to the co than folks might suppose . . . that makes their position somewhat closer to fraud, IMHO. Somewhat parallel to selling Fiat cars and driving a BMW.
I'm not sure I follow this recent disclosure, so hopefully someone here can express it simply.

Short-selling is "never" a good idea, other than to balance a portfolio where you believe your(ie L-T invested) company has taken a wrong-turn. I think when it's shorting on some unfortunate News (eg BP's oil spill) then you are placing yourself in the position of "Wanting" the disaster to get worse.
Isn't this like onlookers standing on fire-crew hoses, to lessen the flow?

I need a rest.

Velocity: AS I read it it's still downhill - (but I see the graph only as a trend, right now), however, recovery News is unlikley to stir many folks that are thinking this is all bad. However, the Rules of Funds have changed, no-longer do Mgrs get fat bonuses for taking risks with OUR money (?) and EMG has started to change their focus, so the huge unbalance in their Portfolio is at least turning. However, with Euro alight and France joining Greece (oh, and Spain I read), there will me more despair to come. That's my take . . . it's a wait-a-little-longer for me, and only then I may Av Dn. +I know that's dangerous; like greasing your brakes to prevent them rusting away.

Let's not forget that LLOY was halfway to £5 before managers took leave of their senses . . . and I suspect MAN was at the smelling salts some years earlier, such was the greed for profits, with no connnection to reality. LLOY is struggling to keep above 25p so that's about 90% down . . . EMG could go to 50p to match that - but I read some believe the new bod is likley to reverse Policy and with Banking rising, say late 2012, Man "might" be up a bit by 2013 - but any BAD news from Euro-land will make it fall further in the meanwhile......( all pure speculation.)

Sub 80p today..?

Broker note from HSBC today:
"Man Group Plc (EMG.L):-Upgrade to OW(V): Strong potential for cost restructuring EPS is down from a high of 58.3 cents in 2008 to 12.4 cents in 2012e and the share price has fallen 75% since November 2009
 We understand that little can be done to boost revenues in the short term but a comparison with peers suggests that Man’s cost base could be cut by around USD250m
 We upgrade to Overweight (V) on valuation and upside from potential cost savings, with an unchanged target price of 110p
We acknowledge that not much can be done to boost revenues immediately: AHL has an excellent long-term track record but since the Lehman collapse it has delivered an average annual return of -2.7 %. We acknowledge that the external environment has been unsupportive but it also appears unlikely to change materially in the near term. AHL’s weak performance in recent years and the challenging external environment therefore suggest to us that little can be done to boost revenues.
However, the cost base can be restructured: In our view, management should consider reviewing the cost base again. Even after factoring in the cost savings of USD75m announced in January 2012, we consider Man’s cost base to be bloated compared with those of its listed peers. Our analysis of costs as a percentage of AuM and staff levels in the various divisions indicates the potential to reduce the cost base by at least USD250m, slightly more than FY2012e earnings from management fees.
Upgrading to OW(V): At this stage we have not factored in any more cost savings than those already announced by management. We upgrade Man Group to Overweight (V) from Neutral (V) on valuation grounds and potential cost savings. Our target price remains unchanged at 110p."

110p is a fair valuation imo.

Still falling 70p maybe ..

I've sold on the Short-selling News (by their own broker??? DYOR.), as I think this is "mighty wrong" - (as suggested in Post #572.).

. . . and I have a BUY pencilled-in at 49p . . . so NO rush.

More weakness going forward who knows 60p or 49p.

Oh calamity.

sp going down heading for the lingerie dept?

..Numis says Man Group may not be worth more than "liquidation value"

By Ben Harrington | Telegraph – 2 hours 44 minutes ago

Man Group (LSE: EMG.L - news) was one of the worst performers as City analysts argued the company is "worth no more than its liquidation value".

Bullish investors in Man Group ultimately need to believe that AHL the company's flagship fund will perform well over the next one to two years, argued David McCann and James Hamilton, analysts at Numis.

They added that to perform well AHL needs markets to follow the same trend for a sustained period of time.

However, given the number of global macroeconomic issues which are likely to remain unresolved for the next few years, Mr McCann and Mr Hamilton believe markets will continue to be volatile, gyrating within a range and trendless for some time.

As a result, the Numis analysts said: "AHL will continue to struggle and we think there is little that management can do to change this".

They added: "We are therefore departing from the rose-tinted analyst community consensus view that AHL is on the verge of returning to long run performance of 10pc-15pc per annum and ... everything is about to recover."

The Numis analysts concluded: "There is ultimately just too much uncertainty for anyone to reasonably predict the medium to long term earnings potential for AHL/Man (Other OTC: MAGOF.PK - news) today and thus we would not consider the stock investable, unless it were to fall well below liquidation value." Numis estimates Man Group's liquidation value at between 50p and 75p a share. Man Group fell 3.1 to 79.8p