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PARAGON GRP (PAG)     

driver - 20 Nov 2007 10:59

Is This A Buy Yet??????????? @115p

driver - 11 Jan 2008 14:54 - 59 of 165

explosive
Yes and I still don't like the look of it.

halifax - 11 Jan 2008 15:07 - 60 of 165

The question is what will the shares be worth after the rights issue?

oilyrag - 11 Jan 2008 15:42 - 61 of 165

In the past I have purchased shares in a rights issue, to find that there was a lock in period of a week or so, to work out uptake and float the rest on the market. During this time it may well be possible to purchase at a lower than float price with no lock in. Remember just because you hold you don't have to buy more shares at float price. Thankfully I was out of this one a month or so ago, but will watch with intrest as the full extent of the dilution becomes apparant. DYOR.

halifax - 11 Jan 2008 15:46 - 62 of 165

This rights issue with the consolidation is a huge dilution especially as funds raised are to be used to pay off lenders however needs must, without this would PAG survive. NRK all over again!

janetbennison - 11 Jan 2008 20:23 - 63 of 165

Unfortunately I have got caught up in this one, I had a stop loss on the postion and got closed out this morning at the lowest price of the day at .55p. I bought the shares back at a higher price. I am not going to buy any more share in the rights issue. I am having difficulty in understanding how I stand in the rights issue. I would just like a simple to understand explanation of how this will end up. Lets just use an example on say 10,000 shares for eg. can any of you explain to me the position. I do not think the shares will drop now they have settled today around .62p. I am making a terrific loss on this one, and to say I have a bad cold at the moment. This was the last shock I needed for the week end. This may be an opportunity for other to enter. We will have to wait and see. Good luck all.

janetbennison - 11 Jan 2008 20:25 - 64 of 165

Have any others on here been caught out on this one?

cynic - 11 Jan 2008 21:41 - 65 of 165

janet .... don't feel like the lone ranger is dumb choices of shares ..... i have been a star performer in that particular league in the last couple of weeks, and i am sure there are plenty of others who are just too shell-shocked to hold their hands up ..... for me, thank goodness for IEC and a couple of others!

cut your losses, dust yourself down and work out a strategy to rebuild

janetbennison - 11 Jan 2008 22:43 - 66 of 165

british bulls were saying this was a buy at 1.20 a few days ago, so much for brit bulls They are now telling people to wait. Their last sell recommendation for this stock was the beginning of dec. I do not think a deal to british bulls they get it wrong many times.

janetbennison - 12 Jan 2008 07:19 - 67 of 165

article in the times today. For each paragon share held. You will get one share for each ten shares held. So for eg. If you hold 10,000 shares now. Your existing shares will become 1000 new shares. My existing shares average out at 1.10 per share. For every share then I will have the right to buy 25 new shares at the 95 per cent discount of the closing price on thursday. So I would then be entitled to by 25,000 new shares at .092004p per share. If I was to do this then the average price of all the shares would be around .49 pence per share. If all was to go successfully. Existing share holders who hold the shares from the higher price of say 1.00 or more would have a good chance of recouping their losses rather than selling now and taking the loss. So in my case providing the share does not fall below .49 pence. Then I could break even at.49p. If existing shareholders do not go for the offer of the new shares then their existing shares will be diluted by 90 percent. Then you would really do your brains in. This is like a blackmail situation saying if you do not go for their offer then would will loss another 90 percent of the share value. I suppose I will have to go for their offer. Unless the position changes before the time. If existing share holders can afford to buy the new shares and providing the rights issue is successful then all could be okay on this one. This could be a wonderful buying opportunity as well for anyone going in now at a price of .61.5p. These will be the people making big money out of the rights issue. Not me. Cynic have a look at the article in today times online and give me your opinion. If I was to sell now I would be onto the terrific loss.

cynic - 12 Jan 2008 09:13 - 68 of 165

janet ..... i get the Fascist Gazette (Telegraph!) from which I quote below .....

"Investors who do not take up their rights will see their holdings diluted by 96.2% ..... Paragon is unlikley to be sold until the markets improve"

imo, buying opprtunity this is not! ..... as for your personal decision, i am afraid it is very difficult to give any advice, but i really cannot see you making good for at least 12/18/24 months and maybe not even then.

janetbennison - 12 Jan 2008 09:57 - 69 of 165

thankyou cynic.

G D Potts - 12 Jan 2008 15:27 - 70 of 165

hoping to open up a short on monday morning, if not then i'll sell it on CMC, can see this falling heavily throughout that week. Who would take up shares in a company that really couldnt be in a worse market at the moment and couldnt be in a weaker position. Paragon is desperate for money in a market where there is none available, its lenders arent going to extend deadlines and I think it will be in serious trouble for the rest of the year and beyond (if it makes it)

cynic - 12 Jan 2008 15:58 - 71 of 165

it may not be possible to short, not least because someone will need to be willing to lend stock

halifax - 12 Jan 2008 19:43 - 72 of 165

Their lenders havent pulled the plug yet. As I said in an ealier post if shareholders dont take up their rights the shares will be taken up by the underwriters who may turn out to be the repaid lenders. In other words a cheap debt for equity swop with control of the company passing to the banks.

halifax - 14 Jan 2008 17:41 - 73 of 165

33% rise today is that short covering or maybe something else?

hangon - 14 Jan 2008 18:46 - 74 of 165

I can't believe shorters could do this - the fall was very fast last week - almost too fast compared with normal activity - so I guess it was large holders getting out.

Similarly the rise today is on a distressed sp, but whilst it is spectacular for new holders at 60p, it may be a dead-cat bounce. . . .. time will tell.

I would have preferred to see such a jump from maybe 20p . . . as I'm sceptical this business is still worth nearly 1 when the (Housing Market) future is wholly unknown.

cynic - 14 Jan 2008 19:49 - 75 of 165

too difficult for a numbskull like me to work out, so stayed well away

hlyeo98 - 17 Jan 2008 10:38 - 76 of 165

With the existing credit crunch, PAG is a SELL

janetbennison - 17 Jan 2008 13:38 - 77 of 165

I sold mine yesterday at .83 and a quarter. Just bought them back at .73p I am down a lot on mine so I am trying to get somes losses back.

hlyeo98 - 17 Jan 2008 13:53 - 78 of 165

You are very brave, janet. At 114p, I thought this would go down (post 30) and I don't trust britishbulls.
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