Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

For a 1000 she can get a Ricki Lake passporta one way ticket back scam land and a bit of false origami.so back into the country for a net profit of 3,000 for A. Wong Un....opps am I being racist???

The Telegraph today,

Prisoners are being given 'Holidays of up to 100 days away from their cells. Murderers, Rapists and others are being given community service from prison to relieve the pressure on overcrowded prisons.
If we sent those immigrants back on completion of their sentences, that would mean at least a few less repeat offenders.
Minsters state that such community service holidays cut re offending (of course it does). And yet several have committed further offence whilst on these jaunts.
One murderer terrorised a woman, another committed a violent raid on a Post Office, another raped a 16 year old girl whilst on day release in able to allow him to attend an AA meeting whilst yet another committed 56 burglaries over 39 day releases (now that's that I call being productive......Due a 'Bonus' perhaps.

tabasco,

No I don't think you are being in any way racist. Immigrant who commit crime should on completion of their sentence be returned to the own county, on release. And they should all be herded together on a basic transport plane, not by a commercial ticket.

Note....Not many people are aware that often it takes several seats on an aircraft to return these people. One for the returnee, two for the escorts and often (depending on the returnee) empty seats so that they are not seated to other fare paying passengers that is of course if they are not returned via charter which can obviously cost thousands.

Of course the situation has got far worse under, Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, Labour.

Is there any hope left for us.

Taken from Telegraph online:

Speaking shortly after the release of his new film Harry Brown, social scientist and film star Michael Caine, 76, said: "We have wasted a whole generation here and that will be passed on to the next generation."

He said he had changed his mind on how society should deal with crime and anti-social behaviour among the young, urban poor, after returning to the streets around the Elephant and Castle in south London to research Harry Brown.

It was there that he grew up, but he said the area had changed incomparably since the 1940s.

In an interview with the Daily Mirror, he said: "I had gone into this film with the attitude of 'let's lock them all up and throw away the key' all of those old opinions. But now I have completely changed my mind.

"Meeting the kids around Elephant and Castle I realised how wrong I was.

"Those young children were born like all other young children yet they were turned into what they are by the society we have created.

"I spent a lot of time talking to the actual lads as we filmed and every single one I spoke to felt that they hadn't been given a chance at all.

"I am talking about kids who would scare the daylights out of you on any other occasion. But I came to realise they had been let down."

While he lived in a prefab house, that has since been demolished, and belonged to a gang for "self-defence", he said children now lived in housing that was "incredibly poor" and faced worse violence on the streets.

"When I grew up there it was tough and rough," he said. "But then it was alcohol and fights but now it is drugs and guns and knives and death."

While he had thought that children and teenagers joined gangs "to kill someone" he came to realise that their motivation was the same as him when he was young self-preservation.

The state should invest in educating such children, he argued, saying it was cheaper than jail and that afterwards "you hopefully have a useful citizen".

But he more pessimistically believed that family breakdown, and in particular the "irresponsibility" of absent fathers, was "the start of all of this".

"Sadly the state cannot provide fathers," he concluded.

I can see his point, but my feeling is after dealing with criminals for many years, including murderers, rapists, paedophiles and other scumbags of our society, is that once society looses respect and discipline to the extent we have, we are not going to get it back by the soft namby pamby approach.
Many of these youths that Micheal Caine talks about are well past help. They have to fear punishment. Fear committing crime.
The softly softly approach is not working. Turn the other cheek to the majority of criminals and they will take the opportunity to put the other boot in whilst your not looking.
I agree that absent fathers along with many other problems can be to blame, but it's funny how in war time when many more fathers were absent and there was more deprivation, the crime rate was very low.

Just a quick example (not one of the worse). Many years ago I was investigating a GBH where after an augment between 2 girls in a pub, one put the others eye out in a glassing. This young girl (17) was so badly cut her eye was actually resting on her lower cheek. A youth approached me and said he was a witness. When asked what had occurred he said something along the lines of "Well she was glassed wasn't she. She won't see the next one coming". The girl at this time was still in situ being stabilised by a paramedic. All his mates then laughed.
Situation such as this lead me to believe that there are many people on this earth that do not deserve any compassion or understanding, and that society would be far better of without them.

OK tirade over, calming down a bit now.
Pessimist, cynic. You bet I am where this country is concerned.

Greekman - Know exactly where you are coming from, I joined the Police in 1970 and just as an example as you are probably aware all we had available to defend ourselves was a wooden baton, (mine dated from 1911). Then came the 1980's which began with the riots, in my case Toxteth and then the Miners Strike and the birth of Riot Shields, Helmets etc. The bobbies today look like film extras from Universal Soldier wallking the streets. Why has this happened, no deterrant, lack of respect, discipline etc. The Police on the street today are 'fair game' to the dregs of society because they are allowed to get away with it. Every 'gobshite' that advocates less punishment should be made to put on a Police uniform and go over the course of twelve months to every major city in the UK and experiene the delights of dealing with the scum on a Friday or Saturday night. Never happen!

Chris Carsonwe have had our difference of opinionbut I am with you all the way on this onein fact I would go a step furthergive the boys submachine gunsand tell them it was ok as long as they aimed below the waista few body bags for the real persistent arseholes and broadcast on news at tenour city streets would soon become clean againany do-gooders ranting on question timepull the handleand let them drop through the doors of room 101 and into a shreddershoplifters lose a finger after the first warningand one on every other convictionpaedophiles and rapist do life after being geldedforeigners committing crime in this country get double sentences.they get twelve monthsthen they get twelve months free all driving related fines go towards more Police on our streetsand bring back stocks for all con artists that pray on the elderlyI'm going to be even less popular now?

Travelling from the airport at Salt Lake City, Utah, in a shuttle taxi to our hotel nearer to the ski slopes a few years ago, I casually asked the driver, "What is it like living in a Mormon state?"

"Well, it's pretty good," he told me. "They don't shove religion down your throat and I'll tell you what, all the jails are just about empty. You do the slightest thing wrong and you get slapped in jail. That's why the crime rate is so darned low. And, like I say, the jails are empty because of it. Yeah, we hardly get any crime around the place. So I guess we all have to say how the Mormons are pretty good."

Now I guessed becasue of what this guy told me, that in Utah, jail was truly a deterrent, but over here in the UK no punishments for crime are a deterrent. Well, except for motoring offences, which are so much a deterrent that such a lot of people just totally capitulate and cross the line into illegality. They just don't do a drivers licence, road tax or car insurance. I know that just with car insurance we are talking about 5% of all the UK's drivers just not having any.

I reckon the whole of the UK's politicians and the House of Commons and our populace is going to get such a damn great shock on Election Day. I foresee really strange things happening with the results. A more appropriate name for it might be 'Communication Day' as we tell them where to stick it.

Hi Chris,

I was also at Toxteth. You never know we might have been shoulder to shoulder trying to bat back the petrol bombs. And yes, agree with your sentiments entirely.

Looks like my post really stirred it up.
I wonder if anyone out there would vote for a Greekman, Chris Carson, Tabasco, ExecLine party that stood on a manifesto of 'hang the bleeding lot of them'.

Hi greekman,

Aye you never know, scary times then eh!

Hmmm? Looks like Katie Price has settled in quickly and is already winning Gino round.

In fact....., I think he's in love. Aaaaaaaaaaah

Pass me the sick bucket.

OK who is Katie Price and Gino. Is she (Price) the lady who has become the first female manager of a senior footbal club (Fisher Athletic) and he (Gino) her first signing.
No please don't tell me.

Greekmanshe will do anythingif the Price is rightShe has about as much sex appeal as Gordon Brown and if she was the only girl in BritainI would turn Peter Kay!!!a lady she will never be!and thank God she is a one offPersonally I wish she would f**k off!

tabasco,

How dare you say, Gordon Brown has no sex appeal, and use innuendos (Kay). I am sure there are a few females (and probably males) who fancy him. I have therefore reported you to the political correct thought Police, for insulting women, gays, and Christians (taking the lords name in vain) all in one short post. Within a few days you will be 'visited' and taken away for re-programing, due to your homophobic and anti Christian beliefs.
I don't expect you will be free to post on here till your release. As things are you will be away for many months, after all your crimes are not trivial, like serious assaults, robbery, rape and the like.

PS. Let me know what drugs you want smuggling in. I understand that the likes of Heroin, Cannabis are OK but since that drug adviser has published his report, alcohol and tobacco are out.

Crystal meth is OK. Do they do tennis in the nick? Hmmm? Probably.

Open mouth to change feet! Labour man calls Queen 'vermin'

They do any game where a player sometimes has to bend down and pick the ball up.
Actually I love tennis. All them frilly knickers (no not the men). Anyone able to post a picture of Anna Kornikova (I don't have the IT skills).

Skinny,

Just read the link....Mr White said the Queen "milks this country for everything she can".
Funny I thought thats what the MPs did.
Pot/Kettle.

Its a fare cop guv.

Never wanted to lick sand before.

Thanks a million, Skinny