There is a really good tech team here, lets give them some ideas for enhancements or to cure any bugs we find.

Haystack, that is the problem , one person says one thing you say something completely different, my problem is, that at this present moment i need ADVFN, this site is not 100% reliable, it COULD go down any time, (but unlikely...) so why pay twice.?

IMO, am's approach is wrong, they should not be charging for either BB (apart for the 5 sign on fee), BUT they should be charging for Real Time prices, after all that is where their main expense is...

ADVFN have the same model. They charge for the PBB and the FBB is free. Kayak is correct in that the Traders room will appeal to traders rather than investors. The Investors will not be like the FBB. The FBB is supposedly an investors BB, but is constantly trashed by the crazies. They start hundreds of QXL threads, they abuse each other, they start racial battle threads and generally bahave badly. I cannot see this happening here. AM won't sit by and tolerate such behaviour.

It may be that you do not need the Traders room BB for your needs. You may need or like Level 2 when it arrives. I can see it being cheaper than other sites, but I have no insider knowledge of the proposed prices. One thing I am sure of, is that this site will be much more reliable and stable than it's competitors due to it's technology being different. Their streaming runs now and will run on more platforms including Mac, Unix, Linux etc than any others.

alecm,

What parts of the site are not reliable? I obviously need to look more closely at those sections.

Any site *could* go down at any time, and the only way of minimising this is to reduce as many single point failures as possible which we are always doing. By the same token, ADVFN could also go down at any time, so im not sure what your point is...

Is there something I am obviously missing? (im not talking about the billing/charging issues here, purely technical...)

J.

Kayak,

Actually I did not even realise the market had dropped as much as it had, I have only just realised, now I am well mift (;-o !

No reason I popped was as simple as DCB.

Which really frustrates me because I do not even mind the bloke, met him a couple of times briefly, and can not understand why he has been so upset to post as he does.

Anyway I have told MB to give him my home tel no so he can abuse me face to face and keep it off the boards, preferably sort his problem with me out man to cat or whatever.

Cheers

Ash

Haystack,

The point being to have access to Traders Room for a 5 plus VAT pcm is peanuts.

Cheers

Ash

Tullettj, have i touched a nerve..?

i know exactly what you are saying regarding Downtime, in cant be avoided sometimes...

My point..? ADVFN, did not introduce Some of their charges until it had been proven, IE streaming, but to me you(am) are doing it the other way round...IE charging for the product , then see if you like it....

Apologies if i am annoying you, but i feel it does no harm talking about things.....

Alec...

alecm
No. That is definitely not the case. The PBB on ADVFN was always charged for. Streaming came along very late in ADVFN's history. Most of the new features on ADVFN have been implemented over the last year. Level 2 was not available for quite some time.

I know the PBB was always charged for , and it was hardly ever used....look at it now, it is DIRE..!!!!!!

It is dire because the bulk of the sensible posters are over here on the Traders BB.

alecm, the PBB ended up as a traders' BB rather than a premium BB. This is imho because those willing to pay 5, or getting it as part of a level 2 or whatever package, tend to be active traders. In a traders' BB you won't find detailed commentary on individual stocks. That is because traders deal in dozens or even hundreds of stocks, and they would not have the time or the inclination to carry out research, post, or even read detailed posts on single shares. I suspect that like Ashley you are probably looking for other like-minded investors, in which case the Investors' BB is for you. The Traders' BB is not intended to be a better version of the Investors' BB. On ADVFN that was the original idea, but it rapidly became a traders' BB.

However one major difference is that the Investors' BB here will be policed to ensure it does not fall to the level of ADVFN's FBB.

alecm,

Touched a nerve? No! Im just a little protective about my systems :)

Sometimes downtime cant be avoided, but you can do everything in your power to minimise it or the possibility of it, which is why we have not made any of the same mistakes in our systems setup...

There is no charge here for streaming, you can get it as a free user, in fact, you can use most of the products as a free user (including one of the BBs) and the streaming here *has* been proven...

Don't apologise, Im enjoying the discussion :)

J.

phew!!... dogfights, just like on ADVFN and Sardinesplaice... :@D

I wouln't call this a 'dog fight' at all. It has been very polite, non abusive and fair. There is a big difference between putting your side of things forcefully and being obnoxious. That differnce is the point at which things begin to deteriorate on a BB. There is active moderation here. That is AM will not just wait for complaints before doing something about personal attacks etc.

Alec,

Seriously why bother arguing about a fiver a month plus VAT when you can lose thousands of pounds in minutes investing in the LSE?

Cheers

Ash (;-o

haystack - LOL!!!! Yes! I'm impressed your behaviour here is much much nicer than there!! seriously though, I hope the moderation is fair and across the board - would hate to see it being one rule for some, and none for others..

:@)

I would expect the moderation to be the same for everyone. I am not given to personal attacks. I may well attack a particular company now and then if I think shareholders are being taken for a ride or the company is badly run or has very little prospects. Of course all three of these apply to some companies.

Because of the connection with Shares magazine, I am expecting to see more input to the site from their journalists. That is something which will make this site different from others.

Now I may have an out of date opinion here, as I haven't read the magazine for ages, but I did read it for about a year, until I gave up because it was.. well, crap, basically. The big problem for me was the number of huge, glaring inaccuracies in articles and news pieces - and, no I can't remember the specific details, though I do remember one that confused Viagra with a completely different drug, and another that talked about CFDs and it was apparent that the writer had no idea what they were (LATER: I remembered - the writer confused CFDs and non-residual shares - and no, I'm not making this up)

And this is the quality of input that is going to set this site apart?

Of course it may have improved out of all recognition since, but I await the content provided by the Shares contributors with a degree of scepticism.

Hi all, just got back in...

Ash, i am not arguing, just discussing, nothing wrong with that is there..?? regardless of the cost, whether 5 or 50, my point is the same....why pay for something you cannot see or sample..?? Surely you would not buy anything from a shop without looking into it, or trying it out..?? Would you buy a car without driving it first..?


TullettJ (MoneyAM) Phheew, that's ok then, dont want to get barred even before i sign up....lol lol

Let me make one thing clear, there is NOTHING wrong with your system , as i already have said, i think it will be the better of the three options so far, but cannot comment on the Fourth (if it arrives..) i know one of the people building it, and they are very particular, and money wont be the problem, but that is another story....As i say, this should be the best of the three we have, IMO, it is only time before the 'idiots' get the better of ADVFN....

I'd like the ability to vote bear or bull on a company as can be done on quite a number of sites and a record be kept of overall opinion. There are certainly a few that I would vote against.

I need a realy good streaming chart 5 min ukx with MA.
I have check out your charts tonight but cannot get the ma on intraday. I am currently on the other side , but would change to moneyam for good reliable charts.

well done so far.