Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I bet poster post 8133 was reviewed by some a little more carefully. 8-)

Just enjoying Gordon slamming Wisteria on the Daily Politics.

Cameron looks a prat.

Even the tory party are cheering Brown now.

Are there going to be defections from the tory party to the Labour or Lib Dems.

The electoral reforms went down well.

Notice tory party e-mailers have been organised for blunderbuss responses.

Fred...GORDON Brown was accused of playing pre-election political games last night as he unveiled plans for a complete overhaul of Britain's electoral system just a few weeks before the general election.


The Prime Minister said he wanted to hold a referendum next year on whether MPs should be elected through an "Alternative Vote" system, whereby candidates would be ranked by voters.

In short, he is calling for a parliamentary vote to decide on a referendum vote, which will then decide on a voting system at a general election.

Downing Street insisted yesterday it could push through the reform before the election, but Labour sources were conceding last night that Mr Brown's moves were designed primarily to "out-flank" the Conservatives on electoral reform ahead of the campaign.

The Labour Party seemed quite happy with the electoral system since 1997...strange they want an overhaul just before an election where for the first time since 1997...they are not favourites?

Tabby,

I think it may produce a government more representative of the electorate.

I would be prefer an referendum on proportional representation.

I may come as a amending proposal.

The present system has a bias to guess whom.

Gordon Brown's record on referendum promises is 0 from 1.
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Fred - It beggars belief that your uncompromising bias in support of Gordon Brown continues despite the obvious evidence which is revealed even more on a daily basis of his complete incompetance of a) Chancellor (Spot the missing Gold is just one example sold at bottom of the market, how does he sleep?) and b) His total arrogance, lack of any charisma by-pass which is soreley required, lack of any humility whatsoever etc etc etc. Or is it just me? The guy must be the most hated man on the planet sureley even you must have sussed that by now!

But Fredwhy has it taken him until four months before an election that he believes Labour will losehe simply will never listen to anyone
I will give youhe became Prime Minister at a difficult and unique timethe worst world recession for many yearsbutwhen Brown became chancellor in 1997... Britain held 715 tons of goldin 1999 he decided to sell off more than half of the countrys centuries-old gold reserveshe planned to sell 400 tons before 2002...Brown offloaded the gold at a 20-year low in the markethe was warned that he could barely have chosen a worse momentThe 17 auctions achieved prices for the gold of between $256 and $296 an ounce with an average of $275...remind me of the price nowits good to talkbut he dont know how?he makes too many mistakesand refuses to listen to othersresult = disaster

Oh dear! Is this pertinent to some on here? Is it pertinent to me? If we/I didn't do this, what else can one do instead?

Tabby,

What was the price of "Silver sale" by Maggie. Who did Maggie give the cash to?

At the time of the Gold Sale who were GB advisers.

How many countries have reduced their gold reserves.

What debts did he sign off on during the first 10years of his reign.

What was done with the cash from the sales.

Consider standards of living for the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE of this Country in the 80s and 90s to the period 1997-2010.

CC>

I don't think Gordon has anything to worry about in the "Charisma" Stakes when comparing with "Wishy and Washy", who can't even stick a economic policy together. Nor stick to a policy when given one.

They have the intellect of Laurel and Hardy in comparison to Brown, as World opinion reflects.

Met a chap in the pub the other day, who when I was referring to Osborne as Pork Chop, until it was suggested "Porky and Bess" would be better.

What a shower.
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Tabs, if you ever meet any of the Young and Old tories you have an umbrella with you.

Amazing (not) Freds reply to proper questions strangely absent. No doubt we will be treated to some spurious garbage later when no ones looking ;O)))

Ooops spoke to soon :o)

Isaacs,

Could be referring to the flouting of International Law by Israel and the killing and maiming of civilians "Adults an Children" by their illegal use of Phosphorus Bombs in Gaza.

But that would be a distraction.

(But watch the flies gather.)

CC. I think it is time you went to the water closet again.

Perhaps, it will give you time to recognise where you left your brain last time

Fred are you trying to take over from Mrsi???

Fred = Kept my part of the deal, have I abused you I dont think so, you as usual revert to type and dodge the question and lob in your usual insults. I rest my case your worships! :o)

CC,

I suggest you review your postings and then rethink.

Perhaps, you don't recognise when you are being abusive.

In general I do, and they are intentional.

Simply put, when you are being personal try to distinguish between the subject, object an the act

Also try to avoid be sycophantic.

So what you saying Fred? Your ramblings are deliberately offensive? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt MISGUIDED perhaps?

Fredfirst point I did not like Maggiesecond at the time of the meeting when the decision to sell the gold was announced senior executives from at least two big investment banks were presentBrown was notit has been documented they advised the timing of the decision as ludicrousthey claimed We thought it was a disastrous decision; we couldnt understand it. We brought up a lot of potential problems at the meetingbut Brown no listen thirdnot many countries reduced their Gold reserves around that timemaybe Switzerlandbut not surefourth 1999 marked the peak for North Sea oil productionBritain was pumping around 2.8m barrels of oil every daythats a lot of revenuefifththe living standards have been supported by the credit crazy Bankers have given out.and that ended in tears... now let me say what I think Mr. Brown and this Government has done for us all gave away billions of taxpayers money to the bankersdont mention the Gold againdont mention the Wars.more billions gave Britain away to the EU threw more billions away in bureaucratic ideasthe Treasury has also given permission to print shedloads more moneyI wouldnt back Brown if he was up against a one legged man in an arse kicking contestand he wouldnt be favouritejust opinion though Fred.nothing more