Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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Where are you from?

By the sound of it -somewhere sensible .Somewhere where political correctness has not strangled freedom of speech . . The UK is a tiny northern europeon lsland with limited resources and unlimited debt; and, in short, can ill afford the crazy numbers of asylum seekers bent on exploiting the entire housing/ healthcare/ benefits system .For a start how many cannot even speak the most basic of English ? ..How many have criminal records ?How many come from countries were life is cheap and whose social mores clash violently with the host country ? But whats the point in whining now ? The damage was done a generation ago by mainstream political parties of all shades ; so much so that a Trojan horse sits in most cities and towns of the UK .Social engineering ,via the popular media, has totally manipulated public opinion So much so that even blacks.lndians and Pakistanies actually perceive themselves as English and complain themselves about the level of immigration. Recently in some armpit of the UK the Pakistani community took to the streets complaining about the number of Armenians that were being allowed into the UK on the grounds that their women were being harrassed by said Armenians .........................the time has come for alternating tory/labour administrations to end . Neither has proven worthy and both responsible for this so called " multi racial state - which very few of the ordinary people want.

I happend to be awake in the eraly hours today and had the (mis)fortune to watch this dispatches - first shown last Monday. Britain's Islamic Republic

Dispatches investigates a fundamentalist Islamic group headquartered in Britain, and its claims to have placed its 'brothers' in positions of political power here.
Using undercover recordings, investigative journalist Andrew Gilligan reveals the group's ambitions to create a worldwide 'Islamic social and political order,' and the concerns of a mainstream party that they are being 'infiltrated'; and talks to the Muslims who want to stop it.

TFC,

Living in such a beautiful part of France I find it strange to hold on to ideas belonging to the Mosely Brownshirts in the thirties, BNP and seemingly some of UKIP now.

Perhaps, you are influenced by Jean-Marie Le Pen and his Right wing party, but I thought the French had rejected his odd ideas.

Anyway you got something right.

I spent many months a year for 4 years in and around Domme, Sarlat and St Cyprien.

I was hoping to live there, but as an "ranger" think it wiser not to.
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Fred - I can hear the huge sigh of relief reverberating from accross the Channel as we speak! :o))

This has little to do with racism, Fascism, BNP and the like, they are in the minority, but as matters escalate things will get worse.
The problem we have is that our islands are vastly overcrowded. We have about the same population as France with half the land size.
And remember, feelings regarding immigration are also running high in that country, I wonder how much that would escalate if they had the same overcrowding problem as the UK.
My solution would be to stop ALL immigration unless it would benefit this country, and that is immigration from all countries.
As to Islam, I read an excellent article a few months ago with a title that I can not recall, but it was mainly stating facts, one of these was that if the rate of Muslim and other so called minority groups births in this country continued at it's present rate and the white British birth rate continued to decline at the present rate, by 2035 the white British population would become the minority.

One Muslim official, was quoted as saying something along the lines of, 'We don't need to use violence in the UK for Islam to take over, we can do it through having many children'.

If anyone doubts this, go onto the governments census site and look at the breakdown of births.

If this country was a lifeboat, we would be sinking rapidly. Population control is now recognised as one of the biggest threat to the UK and the world, even by the (if you say anything you are racist) government.
Too little, too late.

When push comes to shove we all fight our corner, we and the country can only take so much.

I thought I was writing.


Ah Well!

Morning Fred,

Sorry but I don't understand your comment (I thought I was writing).

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I read that article as well, quite scary really. I would also like to see immigration strictly limited to those who will be of benefit to the UK. One of the problems in the UK is the dwindling british birth rate and the growing numbers of pensioners. (I know my next paragraph contradicts this sentence but---) It also appears that many babies are born into a culture of state dependency, I would like to see Family Allowance paid for the first two children only, if a family or single mums want additional children then they must be prepared to fund them, and not rely on the state. It's a tricky situation.
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Hi George,

You say, "I would like to see Family Allowance paid for the first two children only, if a family or single mums want additional children then they must be prepared to fund them, and not rely on the state".
This has been one of my strongest views for years.
We continually read of families consisting of 5/6 plus children, with many running into double figures. Whilst we continue to support such large families with cash, benefits and housing (some housing costs are well into 100.000 per year as a certain case was publicised only a week ago, an immigrant with no independent financial means of support) it will only encourage more to breed like rabbits. We pay for these spongers/parasites, and by that I mainly mean those who come over here and expect to be kept. Although often those born here expect the same.
Just think of that when the tax demand is requested.

I think it was David Attenborough who when asked what he considered to be the biggest threat to the world, he stated Population being by far the biggest threat.

I and most other people would agree.

We just can't continue as we are. If we do I think we are heading for a true Armageddon, and for those who feel that is a too strong a word please tell me an alternative scenario.

Wonderful article, Niceonecyril on immigration and asylum !....bravo !...funny and true !.

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greekman---it's a tricky situation because on one hand we're advocating smaller birth numbers (assuming the number of state dependency children falls) and on the other hand we need more youngsters in work to help sustain the pensioners. Incidently I have two adult working daughters, when they were born we didn't get family allowance for the first born (When you needed it most), only for the second.
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mnamreh------Does the word 'Scapegoat' mean anything to anyone? In relation to what?
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Hi George,

Agree it's tricky, but not I feel in the way of needing more youngsters to help sustain the pensioners. My reasoning is that ,it would be a self inflicting damage scenario. If you encourage more births, to sustain said pensioners, then when those youngsters become pensioners, you would need even more youngsters to sustain, etc, etc into ad infinitum. This would be only delaying the problem, whilst also increasing the future populous dependability. A bit like increasing a loan to pay off a debt, then increasing a further loan to pay off a, OK you get the idea.
A bit like the way our very clever government is dealing with our national debt whilst telling the populous to keep debt under control.
The only answer I have is as previously said by myself and others, more than 2 children, you look after them without any government aid.

please advice.
i placed my order this morning9/03/10 with barclays stockbrs. "quote and deal". message from brokers " problem occured please contact us or our brokers can only execute this order"at best"at 5.75p. i ignored it and place my order again" quote and deal" the same message came up. at the same time i was looking at live streaming. and the price was 5.75p with 0%spread, so i clicked buy and my order was executed that moment at 7p. was i a victim to high frequency trading or some thing else. it seems very odd. surely not MIFID!!! what do you think???
i have contacted bstock and still waiting for a reply

Does appear strange. It does not look like volatile trading due to the message,

" problem occurred please contact us or our brokers can only execute this order"at best". It's the problem occurred bit that makes me think their site was having problems.

Presumably the site comes up with a confirm trade time tick down, (mine has a 15 second time limit to confirm trade or cancel).

Can't think of anything else except have you checked your buy with the trade page, appreciate they don't always show.

Out in 15 mins but best of luck sorting it.

Greek,

Referring to earlier posting.

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I think all those UK emigrants from Britain to Europe and elsewhere should be repatriated and prevented from venturing abroad to stop them from polluting the economies of other countries.

Non-Dom status should not be allowed!

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Strange how attitudes re-emerge when economic environment changes.

I thought it interesting for me was reading an article regarding Irish (Catholic Immigration.)

At the time and later the Catholics were breeding like rabbits.

Strange nearly all the Catholic families I knew in the 70s 60s and 90s and later seemed to have smaller and smaller families.

As their economic status and educational status compared to that indigenous population improve the breeding rates seemed to reduce.
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My belief is that the descendants of recent Pakistani and other groups of immigrants are already showing the same changes.

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The Irish invariably herd together' claimed the Morning Chronicle in 1849 and the 'Irish quarters' that developed in many 19th century English towns have been taken as visible proof of this. Go to Settling. This, however, has been exaggerated, both by contemporary observers and some later historians. Irish immigrants did cluster in particular streets but this was more a consequence of poverty, the 'chain migration' settlement of friends and relations, and the existence of rooms sub-let by Irish tenants.

David Fitzpatrick has pointed out that 'Irish householders in Liverpool were only slightly more "segregated" in 1871 than other migrants from England, Wales or Scotland, and their residential patterns were actually more like those of native Liverpudlians than was the case for either Scottish or Welsh settlers'. Census returns show how mixed these areas were, and also tracks the gradual spread of individuals away from city centres into the suburbs. And by the late 19th century, there was a new target for those who resented the immigrant and the refugee - Jews from central and eastern Europe.

Some witnesses who gave evidence to the 1836 report on the Irish poor in Britain saw the Irish as 'a distinct community in the midst of the English, and compared them in this respect with the Jews'. There were some Irish migrants who tried to re-create the conditions they had left behind at home, keeping pigs; sticking to a traditional diet of potatoes, milk and herrings rather than meat; speaking in Irish and holding wakes for their dead. This, however, was not the way forward for the development of a separate self-sustaining community. David Fitzpatrick concludes of the 19th century Irish immigrants to Britain that they 'generally retained their national identity without forming strong communal bonds away from home. Alienation from British customs and celebration of Irishness gradually became immaterial to the lives of those long settled in Britain'. As John O'Connor Power pointed out in an essay on the Irish in Britain in the Fortnightly Review in 1880: 'the great mass of the Irish who have settled in England are destined to remain in the land of their adoption. They have children born to them on English soil, all their worldly interests are centred in England, and their prospects in life are practically bounded by the English shore'.

By the early 20th century, there was, in some households, a fresh interest in Irish heritage as a result of the Gaelic revival but the significance of this should not be exaggerated. One pamphlet of 1907, The Liverpool Irishman, pointed out that: '90% of the Liverpool Irishmen are at present not connected with any Irish society in the city, There is no social bond of brotherhood uniting the people'.

To some extent, this pattern has been repeated in the 20th century. Irish migrants of the 1950s and 1960s have often focused their social lives around the local catholic church and Irish community but their children and grandchildren are less likely to do so. Read more about Segregation and Assimilation in Trafford Park, Manchester.

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If you find some of the my first few lines of this posting offensive, they are not my views but those covertly held by some individuals. Education and economical advancements tend to moderate views and actions, unless the populace is falsely motivated by corrupt propaganda.

Interesting world.