Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

NM.

The Title in itself is propaganda!

Unlikely to be reliable opinion 8-)

I may try and have a look.

So is two presses of the button!

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Fred,

Don't find you posts offencive at all. As for 'UK emigrants from Britain to Europe and elsewhere should be repatriated', I feel it is extremely difficult once a country has excepted those immigrants. As to myself, I have been in love with the Greek way of live for many years, and would not hesitate to move there (until their financial mess that is) if family circumstances were different. But I would expect to be able to keep myself without any financial assistance, if they accepted me. Also if I did apply to live in Greece and they refused my domicile entry due to either not being able to support myself or/and if they were already over populated (as we are) then I would accept that. I would except that the Greek people should come first, (not last like our own citizens).
So I do agree restrictions should work both ways. The trouble the UK has is that we still have a boarder with more holes in it than any sieve, and let just about anyone in, no matter what status.

Something else I would like to see introduced concerns criminals, ie when sentenced, whatever length of time they are sent down for, they should be told if you behave then that's what you'll serve, if you mis-behave then you will have time added on, I get sick to death of a seven year sentence reduced to three because they were well behaved. Also on a similar note, supposing someone is found guilty of say criminal damage, whatever the cost of the damage, that's the starting point, any fine or community service is on top of the damage costs. Why should the vast majority of law abiding citizens have to pay for this through higher insurance premiums.
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Oh, if life was so simple!

It could be Fred, if the powers that be (of any persuasion) wanted it to be, just as the tax system, it's been made so complicated even the chancellor doesn't understand it.
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I wonder why the imprisonment of offenders became so complicated.

Also, why reparation orders and actions are so difficult to enforce.

Must be those lazy police again. I would fine them all as one body for dereliction of duties.


(Sorry Greek.)

While we are at it, I also think all the MPs should be fined and their tax doubled and we know all are fiddling from the top down (sorry Wisteria).

If they didn't, then they knew somebody else who was. Guilty by association.

I think we need a few vigilantes standing outside the House of Commons and those corrupt Lords.

Also told some traders fiddle their taxes and business leaders seem to extend their expenses.


I call for blood on the streets.

That will sort it out.















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Crikey Fred my typing's not that speedy, 'I wonder why the imprisonment of offenders became so complicated.' Because so many are trying to get in, the gov has to select them carefully because there's not enough room for them all, so priority is given to TV licence fee dodgers, little old ladies not paying council tax, etc etc, so no room for rapists, murderers etc etc.
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On the cop side of things, instead of requiring each arresting officer to complete the entire lengthy process of the court file etc, why not have a dedicated team who complete the file for the arresting officer, all he need do is book the crim in with the custody officer, complete his statement and hand it over to the team, and back out again.
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George,

Re prison sentences, well said, couldn't agree more.

As to dedicated teams dealing with prisoner processing, it is a great idea that was tried and dropped in our force. The reason was, a few officers (the lazy ones that I would not pay in washers) used the system by putting in the paperwork/arrest statements, witness statements (which you require to a minimum in order to authorise detention) required on arrest with so many omissions or/and of such poor quality, they had to be re-done by the File Team. The answer you would think was a good swift kick up the a**se with discipline following if such shoddy work continued.
Well believe me I tried it, but with no backing by more senior officers, you get nowhere. So the idea was dropped as these officers would then have no way to put in shoddy paperwork as supervision would send it back.

There are 2 main reasons why crime etc is not being tackled correctly.

Political interference (too many laws, too many forms) and old fashion discipline within the force being almost none existent. It is almost impossible to get rid of an incompetent officer.

Fred,

Whilst I agree that the Policing methods leave a lot to be desired, they are in no way responsible for the imprisonment of offenders or reparation orders and actions are so difficult to enforce. The restrains put on Police was yet another political restriction that wound me up. My brother watched police type fly on the wall programmes (I don't) and he is often moaning about the punishments offenders get. How do you think Police Officers feel when all their work comes to nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

As for vigilantes, on the whole dangerous as many innocent people would suffer, but and thats a big but, there are many times when the best deterrent in a really bad trouble spot is when either an individual or a group have had enough and dealt out their own punishment. The times I have listened to complaints from low lifes, that they had been beaten up by often reasonable people and they want something doing about it.
Of course we put just as much effort finding the culprits as we would someone who beats up an old lady. Well thats the official line anyway.

The problem I have is there is only one deterrent for crime.frightening punishment!.Britain has massive scale petty crimeshopliftingcar theftsmall fraud.as well as street-freak booze and drug pestsand so onover the years our jails have been used as a short sharp shock for such crimeunfortunately todaythere is now only room for serious offendersmurderarmed robberyterrorism.rapeand severe drug and human trafficking it is common knowledge that judges will no longer give custodial sentences for petty crimemaking Britain an International haven for non violent small organised crimeyes the whole World of scumbags loves our Countryeven corner shops can sell counterfeit goodsincluding fags and boozeand then only receive a few months ban on sellingwe are also getting vast amounts of counterfeited medical drugs entering the country credit cards are being cloned by two or three member gangswith the knowledge that they will most likely get deportedor at worst18 months down to a year insidewhere they will be looked after in their own Country there would be a good beating for surefollowed by a good stretch or worse?then our Government wonder why so many foreign Gypsies Tramps and Opportunist come to Britainwhere there is a bail-out plan in place if the worst should happen with free deportation if caughtand for 500 poundsyou can be back in Britain within a week on false papers and passportand continue to make your 10,000 a weekgetting caught is just a miner irritant to those involvedthere is only one answer as I see itmore Policemore Jailsno deportation until the sentence has been served much long sentencesand all wealth confiscated from these scumbagsany do-gooders choose to step inmake them their social workers and deport them as well
Off for a large drink nowas I have wound myself up.toddle pip

Tabasco,

Fully agree. Seen many a youngster starting to go off the rails. All for a giving a chance or even 2 if deserved, but not time after time.
The first time they are arrested, they are usually terrified, then nothing happens, second time a verbal warning, third, forth, fifth probably a written caution, so they end up not bothered because little happens. So it continues until they end up in court, and the fear returns, until yet again a warning followed by a fine, then community service (which many don't turn up for and are let off) eventually a sentence that is suspended, so by the time the are sent down, they have lost all fear of punishment.

I have heard many times the comment, 'Why waste time locking me up, knowt will happen'. You get the point.

Enjoy your drink, but remember your alcohol units (sorry couldn't resist).

Greekman - Lets be honest the jobs fucked and has been for years!

Chris,

I agree with you, just trying to say why it is so.

Just heard on the news that the MP'S who appeared today at court asked if they could be excused of appearing in the dock to 'Save Their Dignity'

What dignity, they don't have any.

Their request was refused.

Hopefully we get a change of govt. and the true crime figures will be published, maybe then more police will be recruited and prisons built, if pigs could fly? No pun intended (honest) :o))

Hi Chris,

No prob, been called far worse.
In fact one of my most treasured mementos from my service, is an ornament of a pig in full police uniform.

Greek - :o))