Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Ian
Traders Thread still showing -6.8577 of 8571.

tyketto,

Yes, George is aware of it and is looking into it,

Ian

It appears the You Tube link has been removed.
Presumably the car driver or someone else was injured. If so fair enough.
If not I can't understand why, unless the poster has requested it (I understand they can do this) and is thinking of a way to make some cash out of the clip.

I believe the event is being investigated by the police and also the trucker's employers.

I have read that the distance travelled with the two vehicles connected together was about half a mile. The lady driver in the Clio must have been frightened to bits and was seen braking (brake lights on in the video clip) and also heard sounding her horn.

I would think it has been felt necessary to check the truck driver out more thoroughly.

Careless driving? Probably a Yes.

Carless driving? Definitely a No. Teeheehee. :-)

Yes, that would be a very valid reason to remove the video, as if it goes to court any witnesses/jury (if danger our driving) could be influenced.

Was it a set up?

Filmed with the lorry reversing and then played backwards?






















Only trying to get Exec's circulation going.

8-)

The video is still up on YouTube.

Criminals are sent to gaol to be punished not to be reformed.

The logic of being sent to prison to be reformed would mean the potential of someone going there for the rest of their life because they never were reformed from the time they got that parkng ticket. On the other hand if a murderer was sent to prison to be reformed she could be released the next day after being reformed.

On a more serious note!



NIGEL JOHNSON-HILL, PARKFARM, MILLAND, LIPHOOK, GU30 7JT

Rt Hon David Miliband MP
Secretary of State.
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA),
Nobel House
17 Smith Square
London
SW1P 3JR


16 July 2009


Dear Secretary of State,

My friend, who is in farming at the moment, recently received a cheque for 3,000 from the Rural Payments Agency for not rearing pigs.. I would now like to join the "not rearing pigs" business.

In your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to rear pigs on, and which is the best breed of pigs not to rear? I want to be sure I approach this endeavour in keeping with all government policies, as dictated by the EU under the Common Agricultural Policy.

I would prefer not to rear bacon pigs, but if this is not the type you want not rearing, I will just as gladly not rear porkers. Are there any advantages in not rearing rare breeds such as Saddlebacks or Gloucester Old Spots, or are there too many people already not rearing these?

As I see it, the hardest part of this program will be keeping an accurate record of how many pigs I haven't reared. Are there any Government or Local Authority courses on this?

My friend is very satisfied with this business. He has been rearing pigs for forty years or so, and the best he ever made on them was 1,422 in 1968. That is - until this year, when he received a cheque for not rearing any.

If I get 3,000 for not rearing 50 pigs, will I get 6,000 for not rearing 100? I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down to about 4,000 pigs not raised, which will mean about 240,000 for the first year. As I become more expert in not rearing pigs, I plan to be more ambitious, perhaps increasing to, say, 40,000 pigs not reared in my second year, for which I should expect about 2.4 million from your department. Incidentally, I wonder if I would be eligible to receive tradable carbon credits for all these pigs not producing harmful and polluting methane gases?

Another point: These pigs that I plan not to rear will not eat 2,000 tonnes of cereals. I understand that you also pay farmers for not growing crops. Will I qualify for payments for not growing cereals to not feed the pigs I don't rear?

I am also considering the "not milking cows" business, so please send any information you have on that too. Please could you also include the current Defra advice on set aside fields? Can this be done on an e-commerce basis with virtual fields (of which I seem to have several thousand hectares)?

In view of the above you will realise that I will be totally unemployed, and will therefore qualify for unemployment benefits. I shall of course be voting for your party at the next general election.
Yours faithfully,

Nigel Johnson-Hill

This-is-me,

Re Pigs....Very funny post, but could it be true.

Re Crime and Punishment.

One way to save money is to not send to prison those defendant who during their trial state they are reformed characters. I have heard the same story many times, 'My client the defendant has realised the error of his/her ways. He/She had a difficult childhood, and from a very early age was lead astray (the are never those that lead others). He/She is now in employment, is totally committed to a drug/alcohol rehabilitation programme. In fact he/she has joined a local youth support group and has even joined several charities and the local church choir.
He/She is soon to become a father/mother and is looking forward to becoming a parent. If he/she is sent to prison, he/she will not be able to care for his/her elderly mother/father,cat, rabbit and next doors goldfish etc.

My client requests that he/she be given community service as he/she feels that he/she should put something back in the society that he/she has so abused.

Cut to sobs from client, sniggering from his/her mates in the gallery, a wimpish magistrate/weak judge and the slap on the wrist that usually follows (not to hard though, remember the Human Right Act).

Many who expect to be sent down, go out and take any job they can get, get pregnant or get their partner pregnant, join a rehab group and all the rest. It's a game that they often win.

I would suggest to anyone who has never sat in a magistrates/crown court to do so. Most will have made their mind up/guilty or innocent within minutes, and will be gob smacked at most sentencing.

Some trials are better than a TV Sit Com.

Note....... In case you have not guessed already, the reference to Goldfish was made up. Reference to all the other ploys, including the cat, rabbit are from personal experience, when the defendant was allowed his final plea against sentence.

Greek - And of course lest we forget, all of the above defendants are stout defenders of LEGAL AID, you couldn't make it up! :o)

CC

Slightly wrong there with that observation IMHO. How about the following:

"All the defendants' solicitors are stout defenders of LEGAL AID."

Exec - Exactly! :o)))

OK don't start me off re legal aid.

Will give just one of many ploys worked by solicitors.

A person is arrested and they request a solicitor. Solicitor contacted and asked to speak to client on the phone (50). Solicitors then attends Police Station (Cant remember the fee claimed but well over 50).
Later client taken to Mag Court re plea or hearing for continued detention before/after charge. Meets solicitor (again well over 50). Now here is the ******(can't call it a fiddle as they may sue me), before leaving the court to return to the police station the solicitor tells the client to 'request a phone call on return'. Client back at police station requests phone call, speaks to solicitor. Call lasts a few seconds and goes something like this,
Q 'Did you get back alright'
R 'Yes'
Q Okay, if you need to talk to me about anything, just ask the custody sergeant'.
(50).
It's called checking the clients welfare.

One particular firm of solicitors was always playing this game. Who pays, obvious we do!

The figure of 50 was in 2003, so I have no idea what the cost is today.

By the way, in 2003 the cost of an interpretor was 40 per hour, plus travel.
And this was often for foreigners who although speaking English before, during and after arrest (amazing how quickly they pick up word like **** you copper and me licence is at home, I didn't know I needed insurance, tax, whats an MOT. It's me mates car honest it ain't stolen. Don't know now't about the stuff in the boot. There not my drugs), can't speak a single word of English when they reach the police station except, 'Don't understand'.

Under the present rules and the high risk of being accused of them not understanding, an interpretor is supplied.

Of course if we are arrested abroad, the same rules apply to us. And if you believe that just don't ever get arrested abroad and try it.

The Basher's Handbook
Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK?
I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"

WHO BASHERS PREY UPON



Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.

The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.

You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.

Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!

Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.

Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.

Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!

Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.

DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!

This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0

Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).

Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!

Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!

Rules for Successful Bashing:


1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.


Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.

Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.


Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.


Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.


Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?

Golden Rule:

IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER

1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.

2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.

3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..

4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.

5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.

6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.

The Basher 'Pack' Mentality

Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.

Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.

< BEWARE OF THE PACK >

RING ANY BELLS?.I HAVE ALL THE POSTERS NAMES IN MY BOOK!

Hell, it's difficult enough trying to pick winners anyway without having this minefield to negotiate as well, thanks tabasco, good advice is DYOR.
2517

talking to myself i do wonder if it also applies in the opposite? i am supposing the opposite to a basher is a ramper, could be wrong.if i kept a book of such things, which i dont, i would suppose i would need 2 of them. 1 for bashers and one for rampers. maybe some might specialise in just one or other and appear in only one book. maybe some might appear in both books, so maybe i would need a third book? multiple aliases' are one thing, multiple bb postings are another.maybe some are so clever as to warn about such things whilst being just such thing. anyway i can trust me, i'm honest. LOL
regards
jkd

JKDthe clue is in the opening few lines

The Basher's Handbook
Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK?
I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
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I think I have your position sortedand please read the whole pieceyou have reacted in that same old fashioned way..

talking to myself
what is the opposite to scaring people into buying? hmmm! will have to think about this.
regards
jkd