Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Exec - Exactly! :o)))

OK don't start me off re legal aid.

Will give just one of many ploys worked by solicitors.

A person is arrested and they request a solicitor. Solicitor contacted and asked to speak to client on the phone (50). Solicitors then attends Police Station (Cant remember the fee claimed but well over 50).
Later client taken to Mag Court re plea or hearing for continued detention before/after charge. Meets solicitor (again well over 50). Now here is the ******(can't call it a fiddle as they may sue me), before leaving the court to return to the police station the solicitor tells the client to 'request a phone call on return'. Client back at police station requests phone call, speaks to solicitor. Call lasts a few seconds and goes something like this,
Q 'Did you get back alright'
R 'Yes'
Q Okay, if you need to talk to me about anything, just ask the custody sergeant'.
(50).
It's called checking the clients welfare.

One particular firm of solicitors was always playing this game. Who pays, obvious we do!

The figure of 50 was in 2003, so I have no idea what the cost is today.

By the way, in 2003 the cost of an interpretor was 40 per hour, plus travel.
And this was often for foreigners who although speaking English before, during and after arrest (amazing how quickly they pick up word like **** you copper and me licence is at home, I didn't know I needed insurance, tax, whats an MOT. It's me mates car honest it ain't stolen. Don't know now't about the stuff in the boot. There not my drugs), can't speak a single word of English when they reach the police station except, 'Don't understand'.

Under the present rules and the high risk of being accused of them not understanding, an interpretor is supplied.

Of course if we are arrested abroad, the same rules apply to us. And if you believe that just don't ever get arrested abroad and try it.

The Basher's Handbook
Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK?
I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"

WHO BASHERS PREY UPON



Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.

The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.

You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.

Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!

Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.

Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.

Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!

Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.

DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!

This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0

Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).

Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!

Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!

Rules for Successful Bashing:


1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.


Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.

Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.


Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.


Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.


Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?

Golden Rule:

IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER

1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.

2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.

3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..

4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.

5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.

6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.

The Basher 'Pack' Mentality

Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.

Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.

< BEWARE OF THE PACK >

RING ANY BELLS?.I HAVE ALL THE POSTERS NAMES IN MY BOOK!

Hell, it's difficult enough trying to pick winners anyway without having this minefield to negotiate as well, thanks tabasco, good advice is DYOR.
2517

talking to myself i do wonder if it also applies in the opposite? i am supposing the opposite to a basher is a ramper, could be wrong.if i kept a book of such things, which i dont, i would suppose i would need 2 of them. 1 for bashers and one for rampers. maybe some might specialise in just one or other and appear in only one book. maybe some might appear in both books, so maybe i would need a third book? multiple aliases' are one thing, multiple bb postings are another.maybe some are so clever as to warn about such things whilst being just such thing. anyway i can trust me, i'm honest. LOL
regards
jkd

JKDthe clue is in the opening few lines

The Basher's Handbook
Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK?
I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
----------------------------
I think I have your position sortedand please read the whole pieceyou have reacted in that same old fashioned way..

talking to myself
what is the opposite to scaring people into buying? hmmm! will have to think about this.
regards
jkd

Tabasco,

Good post. Sad but true.

No wonder the cost of passports are so high.

Don't you wish that you had written this?

You have to read it to the end!

This was actually taken from a UK passport application and a member of staff
copied it, as it made her laugh all day.

Dear Minister,
I'm in the process of renewing my passport but I am a total loss to understand or believe the hoops I am being asked to jump through.

How is it that Bert Smith of T.V. Rentals Basingstoke has my address and telephone number and knows that I bought a satellite dish from them back in 1994, and yet, the Government is still asking me where I was born and on what date?

How come that nice West African immigrant chappy who comes round every Thursday night with his DVD rentals van can tell me every film or video I have had out since he started his business up eleven years ago, yet you still want me to remind you of my last three jobs, two of which were with contractors working for the government?

How come the T.V. detector van can tell if my T.V. is on, what channel I am watching and whether I have paid my licence or not, and yet if I win the government run lottery they have no idea I have won or where I am and will keep the bloody money to themselves if I fail to claim in good time.
Do you people do this by hand?

You have my birth date on numerous files you hold on me, including the one with all the income tax forms I've filed for the past 30-odd years. It's on my health insurance card, my driver's licence, on the last four passports I've had, on all those stupid customs declaration forms I've had to fill out before being allowed off the planes and boats over the last 30 years, and all those insufferable census forms that are done every ten years and the electoral registration forms I have to complete, by law, every time our lords and masters are up for re-election. I served in the armed forces for more than 25 years including over ten years at the Ministry of Defence in London.
I have had security clearances which allowed me to sit in the Cabinet Office, five seats away from the Prime Minister while he was being briefed on the first Gulf War and I have been doing volunteer work for the British Red Cross ever since I left the Services. However, I have to get someone 'important' to verify who I am -- you know, someone like my doctor...who, before he got his medical degree 6 months ago WAS LIVING IN PAKISTAN...
Would somebody please take note, once and for all, I was born in Maidenhead on the 4th of March 1957, my mother's name is Mary, her maiden name was Reynolds, my father's name is Robert, and I'd be absolutely astounded if that ever changed between now and the day I die!

I apologise Minister. I'm obviously not myself this morning. But between you and me, I have simply had enough! You mail the application to my house, then you ask me for my address. What is going on? Do you have a gang of Neanderthals working there? Look at my damn picture. Do I look like Bin Laden? I don't want to activate the Fifth Reich for God's sake! I just want to go and park my weary backside on a sunny, sandy beach for a couple of week's well-earned rest away from all this crap.

Well, I have to go now, because I have to go to back to Salisbury and get another copy of my birth certificate because you lost the last one, AND to the tune of 60 quid! What a racket THAT is!! Would it be so complicated to have all the services in the same spot to assist in the issuance of a new passport the same day? But nooooo, that'd be too damn easy and maybe make sense. You'd rather have us running all over the place like chickens with our heads cut off, then find some tosser to confirm that it's really me on the goddamn picture - you know... the one where we're not allowed to smile in case we look as if we are enjoying the process!
Hey, you know why we can't smile? 'Cause we're totally jacked off!

Also how is it that illegal immigrants are allowed to stay in this country if they get in without a passport of any kind.

Yours sincerely,
An Irate British Citizen.

Greek LoL priceless, you would laugh if it wasn't true. Bring on the election!

Greekmanlife is but a game of chessand we are the pawns

JKDI dont give two shits if people buy or sell the companies I holdI am an investornot a traderI have all the time in the worldLeveraged
traders aintand that is why they act in the manner of The Basher's Handbook check all my postsdo I ever sound like a desperado?now check the groovy gangs posts you aint got to be Einstein to work out the rogues gallerywhen my Palestinian friend looked like he was pumping and dumpingI soon pulled him on ithe is a decant guy that wont take shithe just got a little excited? but you lot are farfar more dangerousI aint got bad feelings against you allin fact I get on ok with Dil and a few othersbut you are not exactly clever in your tactics and only con the L platersthe Handbook covers your every moveoff out nowwill read you predictable reply at six oclock tomorrow morning.

tabasco - One thing puzzles me, if you are an investor and not a trader why are you up at 6am to watch the markets? doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Surely market conditions as they are at present has to favour the day trader only because of the uncertainty prevalant today. As long as interest rates remain low there would appear only one place to put your money? Come the election and the subsequent cuts and interest rises which are inevitable stocks are going to get hammered don't you think?

t
i post and admit that i am often wrong. you first came onto this board telling us how you were NEVER wrong, you seem to have changed your mind since, how humble.
maybe that so called groovy gang you mention were able to put you in your place.
it is said attack is best form of defence.so why do you attack me? suggesting i con newbies. that is simply not acceptable to me. you well know that is a bull to a red flag to me and i shall respond.
the proof of the pudding is in the eating.hope you earn a few bob from my reply.
please all dyor
regards
jkd

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Lawyer gets some law. Triple law, actually.

Car park crash lawyer was over alcohol limit
Northampton Chronicle
19 March 2010

A top barrister crashed into a parked car while arriving for work at Northampton Crown Court before staggering off to represent a client, a court heard.

Grant Goodlad, a former president of Northamptonshire Law Society, was seen reversing his Jaguar into Steven Howard's car, getting a pay and display ticket and then walking "unsteadily" into court.

He now faces the possibility of being disbarred as a barrister and struck off as a solicitor by the Law Society after being disqualified from driving for two years, which could be reduced if he attends the impaired driver course.

Goodlad pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing.

Julie Costello, prosecuting at Northampton Magistrates' Court yesterday, said Mr Howard's Ford Focus was left with bad scratches along one side following the incident in The Mounts car park at 10.30am on February 9.

She said: "When speaking to police, Mr Howard said the driver smelled strongly of alcohol and appeared unsteady on his feet. He was seen walking off towards the crown courts."

Police officers established the Jaguar belonged to 53-year-old Goodlad, of Welford Road, Thornby, at which point a tannoy alert was made within Northampton Crown Court appealing for the barrister to return to the car park.

Mrs Costello said officers described him as "unsteady walking and appeared very drowsy".

She added: "He said to officers that he had to return to crown court because he had business there representing a client, and repeated this request later."

A breath test taken showed Goodlad had 98 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath, almost three-times the drink-drive level of 35mg.

Murray Holmes, defending, said his client conceded he had "a drink problem" and added Goodlad had already taken steps to address the issue with the help of his GP.

He appealed for magistrates to be lenient, adding: "My client said during his interview that he had ruined his life, and I hope for his sake that he has not, but it is altogether possible that he has.

"He has to consider the catastrophic effects his actions may have on his future.

"He is not in double jeopardy but in fact triple jeopardy.

"He has to face up to this court's actions, in due course, the decision of the Bar Council in which he could be disbarred, and thirdly, the Law Society's decision as to whether he will be struck off or not."

Presiding magistrate Kevin Foreman ordered him to complete 40 hours of unpaid work and pay court costs of 80.

The majority of tabasco's post can equally be applied to rampers (a tag he achieved whilst touting that well known disaster MDX).

pth
thats 2 of us, no doubt t will come up with some story about "us" being part of the pack.never mind him being the leader of opposition. after all wasnt it him who appointed the cabinet?
by his own admission he is a multiple bb poster under multiple pseudonyms'.so although i know i am not you i dont know who is t and who is anyone else. all by his own previous bragging admission.
no doubt a very acceptable and logical sidestepping answer will follow at 6am tomorrow.
of course if the confusion he creates continues with further posts then the more he may earn,if that be the case. just my opinion as always and please dyor
regards
jkd

just re read last few posts.
how dare he suggest such a thing?
how dare anyone, but how dare he of all people?
i am so angry.
will sleep on it and no doubt feel better tomorrow.
regards
jkd

Good morning all>

Well The Bashers Handbook certainly ruffled a few featherslet me just say this for the time beingthis thread is full of genuine people that share their viewsthe dozen or more that I call the Groovy Gangappear out of the hat like one of Paul Daniels fluffy Rabbits the moment any person questions their motives
HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER..5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
JKDgrow up sunshine! did I ever mention your name as one of the gang?you were the one that popped up out of the hat and posted!!! you took it for granted that I was including yourselfwhat does that tell everyone?I have posted thousands of times on AMwith companies like barcftobvicmdxjdwblnxlloyrsapxstanmksoxb.please highlight just a couple of my post where you believe I have ramped the stock upfor instance predicted a lot higher SPcertain financial gain in the short termand so onthen I will find several hundred post where the Gang posted SPs were sure to go down 50% or moretrying to scare the shitand with some aggressively predicted pennies for our investment...and asking us to sell and "move on" best of luck on that
ChrisI am an investortrust me!I am up at six for a number of reasonsmy wife works in Londonand the family has to get up early her choice...I do odds compiling in the racing industry for myselfwork/playthat takes around one hour per meetinglike to get that out of the way long before mid-dayin between I take the dog for a walk up the lane to get papers and a baguetteI do follow the markets closelyalways looking for a long term investment
I have been sharp to many on these bbsincluding yourselfask fred how I gave him a hard time until I could prove he can be trusted but once I get a comfortable handle I embraceI could tell Greek was a good unnamrehgeorgefredexectimjimmy.and most of this threadif you think I am the villainthen that is your choicebut I sincerely want all investors to make moneytraders beat each other up for short term gain.for every winner there has to be a loserif they can scare a few investors to part with their moneythey have done their job.

Several years ago (probably about 20) I was in a Police Cell block, (now called a Custody Suite, as this sounds better and not so intimidating to our misguided, misunderstood toe tags, sorry I meant clients) when a lady had been arrested for 'drunk driving'. This lady was well over the limit and requested that her husband be informed. He (a Solicitor) turned up at the Police station more drunk than she was. As their home address was about 2 miles away and he arrived within a few minutes, we obviously wondered if he had driven there. A Police Officer had seen him drive into the station yard, so he was breathalysed and found to be also well over the limit. The result both were banned for 12 months.

All through my career I found most Solicitors fair when it came to dealing with the Police as long as they were put in their place (many Police Officers were intimidated by a Solicitors presence especially the newbies), but there was always the bolshie, obnoxious git who tried every trick in the book to get even the worse scum bags off the hook. The Solicitor who was arrested at the station was one of of those obnoxious lot so it made my day when he was banned.
OK I know it's a job (Solicitor) but it takes a particular type of person to go all out to defend the indefensible. Most faced with such a person with overwhelming evidence go through the motions, just doing what they have to and no more.

Another quick Solicitor story.

Violent youth arrested, put in cells, requests Solicitor. Solicitor attends, prisoner put in interview room with Solicitor for private discussion, prisoner still handcuffed. Solicitor demands handcuffs to be removed and prisoner allowed to smoke. As Custody Officer, I refuse stating I think the prisoner is still a risk, Solicitor pushes his augment and starts on about 'He will make a complaint'.
Although willing to ignore him, I think 'OK' on your head be it.
Handcuffs removed, cigs and a light given, both left alone. Few minutes later hear commotion. Enter room, Solicitor lying on floor bad gash to head (he had been smacked with ash tray) taken to hospital, few stitches.
Sometimes you just have to laugh.