Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Some 'jobsworth' will suggest doing her for using the telephone whilst driving.
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Tabby,

In your argument about the actions of solicitors, one thing is being missed that is the implementation of criminal law is based on being innocent until proven guilty in a recognised court of law. Hopefully, that applies to all.

Do we want a return to lynching?
Who will the mob lynch, them or us?

To have a decent society, the law (all law) need to be upheld, even if it allows some villains to escape conviction. Minor transgressions may be treated summarily, by the various administrative bodies, as long as appeals to the courts are allowed.

Otherwise, you may be allowing the forces of law, to judge guilt on the bases of intuition, or even less usefully value judgement.

One thing, which I would like to see, is that those who plead not guilty and are found guilty have an increase in their sentence , related to the increase in cost of the court action. This again has problems, in that some innocents may opt for the safe route of a minimal sentence, in fear of having an exorbitant cost of pleading their innocence.

If we give up the forfeit the rights of the defendants, we may all be in trouble.

A thing which worries me in the current atmosphere, is the possible local political interference in the appointment of chief police officers.

Fred stop oversimplifying everything

while we may owe a great debt of grattitude to our police let us not get carried away - we should never forget, and i MEAN never FORGET THE LIVES THEY HAVE DESTROYED in the past -NEVER !!!!! ..By that i mean the lives of the Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6, Annie Mcguire and her family ,the Cardiff 3,the Bridgewater 4 or the shooting- by shotgun- of a man within the confines of an east london police station. ect ect .. ,,,The true sign of a mature democracy is surely one that shows justice to those who are the least deserving ........Had the police Fed had their way those very cases would have resulted in people being hung ,,,,,shame on your house...l fully endorse Freds analysis and find it anything but simplistic

TheFrenchConnectionmy humour Im afraid whilst I agree with a lot of your viewssome of your examples go back to before a lot of us were bornif these are the only examples we can findand those convicted were evidently no angelsand with previousputs it into a kinda perspective?now that dont make it rightbut?

"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" - William Blackstone, late 18th century.

To go beyond is sometimes necessaryto avoid falling short Tabasco 2010

please dont get me wrong tab ...i wasnt having a poke at you mon pote........Perhaps a better system would be found in my homeland . The police do the arresting / an investigating magistrate does the questioning .Letting the police do both is asking for trouble

TheFrenchConnectionthe way of life in France answers all questionsthey found the formula many years ago

Kayak
Jade Goody was a wonderful Mother that was taken from life
Katie Price is a dont know the Father grew the tits with a knife
Life aint fair

Whoa ....Err Whas happening ? ..Kayak posts a picture of an execution ...and citizen tab responds with post about that awful woman -namely Price.K ...............Have i missed something here ? Mind you when a decadent hedonistic old man like Hugh Heffner calls Price a very bad girl after her antics at one of his parties it makes the mind boggle . The woman is certainly no lady and thats a fact ......

TheFrenchConnectionkayak is an idealist.I was just trying to make the point that we dont live in a fair and ideal Worldhis views would be great if they could workhistory tells us they dont!the execution was having a pop at me for stating how good the French way of life is

but you are only telling the truth. ;-)) The gallic way of life is far superior.

You are funny M. Voltaire i only ever tell the truth!

OK don't want to knock Jade Goody, but who says she was a wonderful mother. I wonder if she had not died in the tragic circumstances of Cancer would people still feel the same.
I feel sympathy for her family as I would any family who looses a loved one, but although presumably she had her good points, I only knew the part of her character that was shown on Big Brother (never a fan, but seen clips on the news) where she came over as a loud mouth, insulting woman.

Funny how a death surrounded by the media make better people of almost everyone. Many have put Jade Goody on a pedestal. Why are such people almost hero worshipped.

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TFC,

If you said "Garlic" or "Galois" way, I might agree with you!

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If it wasn't for "idealists" we would still have slavery in the USA etc,.

(I know there is still slavery in other parts of the world and as I am told in this household.)

But an evolving society should (in my opinion) learn from its mistakes and evolved

Bad convictions breed resentment and their aftermaths.

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namreh she was playing a game that went wrongshe was never racistjust a misjudgement from a young girlshe tried everything to make up for the mistakeI could be wrongbut I truly believe her actions was a game with channel 4 that backfired?

The point is GreekJade has always come over as a very good Mothershe has plenty of faults most would agreebut motherhood aint one of themI have watched her on many occasionsand would say never judge a book by its coverher children were her short lifefrom a girl brought up in a Bermondsey slum without her now deceased drugged up Fatherand a Mother that is less than sanethe girl done good

Jade Goody is still a good mother.
So says a celebrity mum survey.
The Grattan list, voted for by more than 10,000 people, features the Big Brother star - who has two sons, Bobby Jack, and Freddie- on this year's shortlist.

More young women are having checks for cervical cancer as a result of Jade Goody's battle against the disease
The number of women aged 25 to 64 who had screening went up 12.5 per cent to 3.6million in the year from March 2008... says the NHS Information Centre report And the rise was most marked among those aged 25 to 49...
While the number of women in this age group who had been screened some time in the previous three to three-and-a-half years was 69.3 per cent in March 2008this had risen to 72.5 per cent in March 2009. She has made a tremendous impact

Goody's carefully written will ensures her husband cannot touch any of the money she has stored away for her two sons Freddie seven.. and Bobby six..her Mother and Grandparents had a small cash gift.

From the worst possible start in lifeand against all oddsshe became an honest winneronly to be denied by nature