Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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TFC,

If you said "Garlic" or "Galois" way, I might agree with you!

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If it wasn't for "idealists" we would still have slavery in the USA etc,.

(I know there is still slavery in other parts of the world and as I am told in this household.)

But an evolving society should (in my opinion) learn from its mistakes and evolved

Bad convictions breed resentment and their aftermaths.

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namreh she was playing a game that went wrongshe was never racistjust a misjudgement from a young girlshe tried everything to make up for the mistakeI could be wrongbut I truly believe her actions was a game with channel 4 that backfired?

The point is GreekJade has always come over as a very good Mothershe has plenty of faults most would agreebut motherhood aint one of themI have watched her on many occasionsand would say never judge a book by its coverher children were her short lifefrom a girl brought up in a Bermondsey slum without her now deceased drugged up Fatherand a Mother that is less than sanethe girl done good

Jade Goody is still a good mother.
So says a celebrity mum survey.
The Grattan list, voted for by more than 10,000 people, features the Big Brother star - who has two sons, Bobby Jack, and Freddie- on this year's shortlist.

More young women are having checks for cervical cancer as a result of Jade Goody's battle against the disease
The number of women aged 25 to 64 who had screening went up 12.5 per cent to 3.6million in the year from March 2008... says the NHS Information Centre report And the rise was most marked among those aged 25 to 49...
While the number of women in this age group who had been screened some time in the previous three to three-and-a-half years was 69.3 per cent in March 2008this had risen to 72.5 per cent in March 2009. She has made a tremendous impact

Goody's carefully written will ensures her husband cannot touch any of the money she has stored away for her two sons Freddie seven.. and Bobby six..her Mother and Grandparents had a small cash gift.

From the worst possible start in lifeand against all oddsshe became an honest winneronly to be denied by nature

Grattan do catalogue shopping. I guess if 10,000 catalogue shoppers say so, then Jade must be the best celebrity mum :-)

It really beggars belief, tabasco, that when choosing the best mum you feel you should be choosing between Jade and Jordan. I really don't know where to start!

OK, I'll start here. The vast majority of mothers are good mums. I have no information to say that Jade wasn't. That does not mean she was better than any other mum. Coming out on top of a survey does not mean that either. A survey of people whose only impression of her motherhood is that gleaned from the gossip that appears in the gutter press? Come off it.

It is also worth mentioning Shilpa Shetty and Jade became very good friendson the other hand Danielle Lloyd and Jo O' Meara. were just as bad but made little effort to apologise after the show

Who was Jade?

Once again, I seem to have missed something.

Kayakdont act stupidof course most Mothers are goodit was a light hearted look at two of the most written about womenand how their life has panned outyou posted a guillotine to represent the French way of lifeand you dont know where to start? come on!

tabasco re ---'From the worst possible start in lifeand against all oddsshe became an honest winneronly to be denied by nature' I think this was why she was so popular, coming from such a background and 'making it'. I expect so many others from similar, and not quite so disadvantaged upbringings had an affinity with her. As for her motherhood qualities from what I read and heard you couldn't fault her. For my part, (I wasn't a fan, and fortunately didn't watch her reality show, or any others for that matter), she came across as a gobby individual.
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No - I posted the guillotine to show that "they found the formula many years ago."

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Apologise Kayak

Totally agree Georgesummed up perfectlyheart of goldgreat Motherbut gobby whereas Price aint a great Mothershe has a heart of stoneand her kids certainly dont come firstif nature has to take one of the two?

Errr ... have no wish to speak ill of the dead, just one question I would ask myself if I had a daughter, would either of the above be a suitable role model. Got to be honest I don't think so, sorry tab.

Missing the whole point Christhe girl done good from an impossible starting point

Namreh>
Tab - growing up in poverty does not necessarily make you impoverished of decency, grace, manners, decorum, self-effacement and a few social tweaks.

NamrehI notice that you carefully wordednot necessarily would make someone impoverished of decency, grace, manners, decorum, self-effacement and a few social tweaks.that suggest to me that you certainly believe it makes life a whole lot harder...
The Shetty incident aside.which was a TV train wreck... Jade has always come over as uneducated and ditzy but very likablefriendlyconsideratefunny and a good Mother to her childrenI dont think you can ask much morefrom such an upbringing?

Mnamreh,

You say, Why do I not wish to knock Jade Goody. The reason is I don't know enough about her. The only reason I posted was to counter a post that said she was a 'wonderful mother'. How do we know, surely not because of a celebrity survey. I only know that on BB she was as said, a foul mouth.

Tabasco,

You say Jade Goody is still a good mother", So says a celebrity mum survey.

It appears that all celebrity mums are good mums, as you never see any comments to the opposite, unless there is some sort of Police investigation or court case.
Also, funny how Celebrity Mums (not referring to JG) can have just one kid and then become an expert releasing a book on childcare, when many have nannies and the like taking care of said kid. And even stranger is that people buy them.

GreekI know Jade is a good Mother because I see how she behaves towards her children on filmyou cant fake a Mothers loveI looked into her eyesand that was enoughfitting that she passed on Mothers Daydon't get me on this subject...

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Part of a telegraph article by Liz Hunt
Published: 8:12PM GMT 17 Feb 2009

Goody, just 27 but shrunken and frail from the cancer that she is fighting so publicly in print and on screen, is dividing the nation as effectively as she united it. In one corner are those who wish she'd keep her death throes to herself; in the other, the folk who salute her
reasons for milking every moment.
I know where I stand, and it isn't with those who witter on about dignity and privacy. Dignity? Goody never had it, and wouldn't know what to do with it if she had. Privacy? It is not something that ever featured high on her list of priorities. She sacrificed it the moment she first entered the BB house in 2002 and was swallowed up by reality TV.
There are other forces, admirable ones, that drive Goody: an instinct for survival, and aspiration that most middle-class of virtues another. I was always slightly charmed by the fact that she trained as a dental nurse not a typical career for the product of a drug-addict father and a "one-armed lesbian" mother from the back streets of south-east London. It hinted at something beyond the underclass stereotype depicted on BB. She survived the humiliation and borderline mental breakdown of that experience to embrace life as a red-top celebrity. When the cash flowed in, she used it to set up a business and to acquire some of the trappings of the lifestyle she hankered after for herself and her sons. They weren't what you might expect: less WAG than wannabe-Yummy Mummy. At one point, she was modelling herself on Elizabeth Hurley. It probably horrified Liz but I found it touching. Now, her starring role is coming to an end and PR maestro Max Clifford is orchestrating the tragedy, drip-feeding us from diagnosis, to, quite possibly, death. "I've lived in front of the cameras. And maybe I'll die in front of them," she says. "I know some people don't like what I'm doing, but at this point I really don't care what other people think."
There will be two beneficiaries of this prime-time death, her sons, aged five and four, for whom she established a trust fund. She wants them to have a private education. Jade Goody, is being castigated by some for her determination to do what she can for her boys before she leaves them. But the truth is that reality television, which gave us the worst of her, is now giving us the best.