Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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Apologise Kayak

Totally agree Georgesummed up perfectlyheart of goldgreat Motherbut gobby whereas Price aint a great Mothershe has a heart of stoneand her kids certainly dont come firstif nature has to take one of the two?

Errr ... have no wish to speak ill of the dead, just one question I would ask myself if I had a daughter, would either of the above be a suitable role model. Got to be honest I don't think so, sorry tab.

Missing the whole point Christhe girl done good from an impossible starting point

Namreh>
Tab - growing up in poverty does not necessarily make you impoverished of decency, grace, manners, decorum, self-effacement and a few social tweaks.

NamrehI notice that you carefully wordednot necessarily would make someone impoverished of decency, grace, manners, decorum, self-effacement and a few social tweaks.that suggest to me that you certainly believe it makes life a whole lot harder...
The Shetty incident aside.which was a TV train wreck... Jade has always come over as uneducated and ditzy but very likablefriendlyconsideratefunny and a good Mother to her childrenI dont think you can ask much morefrom such an upbringing?

Mnamreh,

You say, Why do I not wish to knock Jade Goody. The reason is I don't know enough about her. The only reason I posted was to counter a post that said she was a 'wonderful mother'. How do we know, surely not because of a celebrity survey. I only know that on BB she was as said, a foul mouth.

Tabasco,

You say Jade Goody is still a good mother", So says a celebrity mum survey.

It appears that all celebrity mums are good mums, as you never see any comments to the opposite, unless there is some sort of Police investigation or court case.
Also, funny how Celebrity Mums (not referring to JG) can have just one kid and then become an expert releasing a book on childcare, when many have nannies and the like taking care of said kid. And even stranger is that people buy them.

GreekI know Jade is a good Mother because I see how she behaves towards her children on filmyou cant fake a Mothers loveI looked into her eyesand that was enoughfitting that she passed on Mothers Daydon't get me on this subject...

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Part of a telegraph article by Liz Hunt
Published: 8:12PM GMT 17 Feb 2009

Goody, just 27 but shrunken and frail from the cancer that she is fighting so publicly in print and on screen, is dividing the nation as effectively as she united it. In one corner are those who wish she'd keep her death throes to herself; in the other, the folk who salute her
reasons for milking every moment.
I know where I stand, and it isn't with those who witter on about dignity and privacy. Dignity? Goody never had it, and wouldn't know what to do with it if she had. Privacy? It is not something that ever featured high on her list of priorities. She sacrificed it the moment she first entered the BB house in 2002 and was swallowed up by reality TV.
There are other forces, admirable ones, that drive Goody: an instinct for survival, and aspiration that most middle-class of virtues another. I was always slightly charmed by the fact that she trained as a dental nurse not a typical career for the product of a drug-addict father and a "one-armed lesbian" mother from the back streets of south-east London. It hinted at something beyond the underclass stereotype depicted on BB. She survived the humiliation and borderline mental breakdown of that experience to embrace life as a red-top celebrity. When the cash flowed in, she used it to set up a business and to acquire some of the trappings of the lifestyle she hankered after for herself and her sons. They weren't what you might expect: less WAG than wannabe-Yummy Mummy. At one point, she was modelling herself on Elizabeth Hurley. It probably horrified Liz but I found it touching. Now, her starring role is coming to an end and PR maestro Max Clifford is orchestrating the tragedy, drip-feeding us from diagnosis, to, quite possibly, death. "I've lived in front of the cameras. And maybe I'll die in front of them," she says. "I know some people don't like what I'm doing, but at this point I really don't care what other people think."
There will be two beneficiaries of this prime-time death, her sons, aged five and four, for whom she established a trust fund. She wants them to have a private education. Jade Goody, is being castigated by some for her determination to do what she can for her boys before she leaves them. But the truth is that reality television, which gave us the worst of her, is now giving us the best.

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On a lighter note What do you call a prostitute with no legs?..............................................








Cash and Carry

Judge says to Mickey Mouse ' I can't give you a divorce on the grounds that Minnie Mouse has protruding teeth' Mickey says ' I didn't say she had protruding teeth, I said she was f---ing Goofy.
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Aha. Max Clifford, you say?

Now he ain't no fool. And he took Jade Goody on as a client, didn't he?

I guess if she was good enough for him to do that, then I'm going to move my pointer from 50/50 to at least 51/49 towards a 'FOR' for her, rather than an 'AGAINST' and use that to conclude and say:

"Yes. In her heart, I think she was a reasonably nice person and also a reasonably good mother."

Sorted.

Just caught a bit on Westminster Today (did not catch who said it) referring to the latest lobbying scandal. I heard something like the following, 'People stand for parliament because they want to help the people, not for any gain for themselves'.

Well that might be their initial intent, but once near the trough, in go the snouts of many.

Now what did Churchill say, 'Never in the field of politics has so much been owed by so many because of so few'.

Ill settle for 51% Execdid you know I was nearly a doctor oncetrust me? I was sitting in my surgery and in walked a Kylie Minogue look alike with her Mothershe said Ive come for an examinationI said very well go behind the curtain and get undressed..."No not me" said Kylie "it's my old Mum here."Very well"I said "Madam please stick out your tongue and say ahhh".I couldnt see the fun in it?

Knowing only very little, or almost nothing about the person in question ie. Jane Goody it is most opportune for me to throw my cap into the ring once again.

Greek,

How many children do you have to have had, to become an expert?

How many non-celebrities hive their offspring to institutions to be brought up and educated. Ie . giving the responsibility to others (able to blame others) to import values into them?

(From reading, often a less than advantageous environment for development of rounded personality )

Nannies come in all shapes and sizes, and are usually paid for.

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Tabby,

Cant fake Mothers love.

The sad thing is it is often done and can be very difficult sometimes to recognise.

Many a darling mother/father have been poisoning their children in front of Doctors, police and social services.

Not the most easily duped members of society.
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On a lighter note:

A point of interest, to me, is why this lady brings up an association with a prostitute?

(Just details.)

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Fred,

Q How many children do have to have had to become an expert?

R No Idea, except to say there are many good parents with one, and equally many bad parents with double figures.

Q How many non-celebrities hive their offspring to institutions to be brought up and educated. IE . giving the responsibility to others (able to blame others) to import values into them?

R Don't know but like many richer parents far more than poorer ones.

I realise you questions were rhetorical.

Here's a kid who is a wall climber. Well worth watching him too, IMHO

http://pogpog.com/v/amazing-wall-climber/

Greek.

Agree with you first reply.

Cautious about 2 ( I was going to say I have the same bias, but on reflection, it doesn't seem to matter very much.)

However, I would not be that sweeping and consider friendship with the Mafia, Drug Barons, Flesh Traders. Cigarette Manufact, etc. and quite a lot of others.

So, I pick and choose. or perhaps they pick and choose me.

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