Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Greekman - Made my day completely to! Went into work the other day and some wag had posted to the toaster in the kitchen a 'risk assesment notice'. On every staircase in the buiding were notices to the effect that hot drinks without lids were prohibited. What happened to common sense? :o))

Ask the Chancellors8:00...Channel 4...cant be missed

How about a risk assessment of having Brown as PM for another 5 years or, more importantly, the risk of staying part o the Evil Empire?

Watched the program.

One of my children said " doesn't he look shifty".

You guessed it, she was referring to Osborne.

Thought Darling and Vince did well.

Coalition of Labour and Libs is well on the cards.

Oh no! - it's the pseudo-intellectual Guardian reader again.

I've at last realised that Fred is living proof of the theory of multiple coexisting universes. Many odd apparitions in the universe we inhabit are considered by some to be accidental intrusions from one or other of these parallel universes. It's now clear to me that Fred is just such a phenomenon. I feel reassured already.

Also watched the programme. Vince Cable easily outshone the other two. Shame he is just abut the only one of his party that is credible.
We all know (or should) that whoever gets in, we are in for a very rocky time.
I do believe we should cut now, drastically, in all areas of public employment from the top down.
This would mean the effects felt by those that receive these services would be kept to a minimum.
The problem we have is that with now over half (51%) of people employed, work for the public sector, it will be a case of turkeys not voting for Xmas.
That is why no party is being specific as to, how, where and when these cuts are to be effected.
The party that the public sector workers are most likely to vote for is the party that they believe will cut less.

The first cut should be the number of MPs, as we have more members of parliament pro rata to population than any other western country, but again I can't see this happening.


I have great fear for the future of my country.

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What I cant understand?
this thread is supposed to be a bit of a release for us frustrated investorsFred has a point of view that is probably in the minoritybut nevertheless a solid viewwhy do so many posters get so emotionally troubled?why not just post up your political view and except you will never have the last say another five years of Brown imo would be purgatorybutI agree with one of Freds childrenOsborne did look shiftyand out of his depthhung Parliament a certainty!!!but thats just a single point of viewfrom a lucky thickoam I an Alien?.incidentally FredI happen to think Darling and Brown have committed treason of seismic proportions

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NamrehI can assure you I am none of the abovethe lucky thicko bit is for a band of traders known to many on here as the Groovy Gangask Fredhe loves them as much as myselfthey are a kind of Samaritans for poor unsuspecting traderswilling to give their time up just to help youand for no other reasonmove onbeing one of their classic pieces of adviceand very helpful too? apologise if my comments offendbit tongue-in-cheekbut I am thick!

Tabasco,

I agree.
Although I disagree with Fred's views about as much as I agree with them, he does not rant and rave. Yes he is in the minority, but it is the minority that often get things moving whereas it is the majority that tend to keep quiet sitting on their hands doing nothing.
As to the Guardian and all newspapers.
Many times I have been in situations where the press have openly exaggerated (LIED). I will give 2 quick examples, exact details will be vague due to time lapse.

1 A recovery dive.

Details given to press...Time incident taken 2 hours. Dept of water 40'. Divers involved 8.

Press release... All details doubled, time, depth and number involved, and this was done whilst I was just out of camera shot.

2 Siege incident....

Details given to press......Time, numbers, given. Weapons, 2 knives about 6" in length. Dog (spaniel) killed by knife. CID to scene about 2 hours into incident.

Press release....Time, numbers again doubled. Knife 12" in length. Dog suddenly changed into an Alsatian (has more impact than a spaniel). CID first on scene.

There are so many more examples I have that convinced me that if they can get away with details they take the figures given and multiply by 2.

I have been at so many incident, reading a press report the next day, thinking, 'was this the same incident'.

So next time you read that, Car skidded for 100 metres turning over 6 times, or man stuck for 10 hrs you can work out the true story yourself.

I appreciate that no one on here believes the press 100% anyway. At least I hope they don't.

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Namrehno probsmost on this thread are good and can be trusted

Thank you N.T.G.

It is nice to see some are prepared to let me live a little longer.

I don't see myself as left wing, but do believe in a decent humanitarian society.

I think this produces a less discordant society, less fragmentation and less social disorder (crime).

It may surprise some that I agreed with quite a lot of what Maggie Tat, did during the period of government.

What I did not like, was the brutality with which she was prepared to introduce her policies without concern for much of society.

Her policies help to fragment society and are partially responsible for the them and us society. It also helped to develop or increase the dependant society.

If she had spread her changes over a longer period and had regard to developing work for those who became unemployed it would have become more acceptable. (I.e. evolution, not revolution.)

Also, it is forgotten that she or her policies cause the demise of a lot of our industrial base. It was bound to happen, but not at the speed it occurred.

However, if you look at her latter years, I think she was a disaster.

Anybody interested in this period, I would suggest reading :-

Simon Jenkins (2006) Thatcher & Sons - A Revolution in Three Acts Penguin, ISBN 9780713995954

(I nose around second hand book shops and picked it up some time ago and was fascinated by the information in this book. Simon Jenkins was Editor of the Times before it became a rag.)

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No I dont have a party other than birthday and Xmas parties, but I do like baiting the Blue rinses and some block headed right wingers.

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Greek, Liberals also have Ming Campbell. I have a lot of respect for him, Also a shrewd brain in Charles Kennedy who seems to remain dry.

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Fred,

Agree re.....It may surprise some that I agreed with quite a lot of what Maggie Tat, did during the period of government, as I feel the same.

What I did not like, was the brutality with which she was prepared to introduce her policies without concern for much of society.

Also agree re Ming Campbell and Charles Kennedy. It is their policies (the Liberals), that are far too lefty, minority group orientated that I have no time for.

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NN,

If it is on the shelf of my favourite shop I will do.