Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

What I cant understand?
this thread is supposed to be a bit of a release for us frustrated investorsFred has a point of view that is probably in the minoritybut nevertheless a solid viewwhy do so many posters get so emotionally troubled?why not just post up your political view and except you will never have the last say another five years of Brown imo would be purgatorybutI agree with one of Freds childrenOsborne did look shiftyand out of his depthhung Parliament a certainty!!!but thats just a single point of viewfrom a lucky thickoam I an Alien?.incidentally FredI happen to think Darling and Brown have committed treason of seismic proportions

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NamrehI can assure you I am none of the abovethe lucky thicko bit is for a band of traders known to many on here as the Groovy Gangask Fredhe loves them as much as myselfthey are a kind of Samaritans for poor unsuspecting traderswilling to give their time up just to help youand for no other reasonmove onbeing one of their classic pieces of adviceand very helpful too? apologise if my comments offendbit tongue-in-cheekbut I am thick!

Tabasco,

I agree.
Although I disagree with Fred's views about as much as I agree with them, he does not rant and rave. Yes he is in the minority, but it is the minority that often get things moving whereas it is the majority that tend to keep quiet sitting on their hands doing nothing.
As to the Guardian and all newspapers.
Many times I have been in situations where the press have openly exaggerated (LIED). I will give 2 quick examples, exact details will be vague due to time lapse.

1 A recovery dive.

Details given to press...Time incident taken 2 hours. Dept of water 40'. Divers involved 8.

Press release... All details doubled, time, depth and number involved, and this was done whilst I was just out of camera shot.

2 Siege incident....

Details given to press......Time, numbers, given. Weapons, 2 knives about 6" in length. Dog (spaniel) killed by knife. CID to scene about 2 hours into incident.

Press release....Time, numbers again doubled. Knife 12" in length. Dog suddenly changed into an Alsatian (has more impact than a spaniel). CID first on scene.

There are so many more examples I have that convinced me that if they can get away with details they take the figures given and multiply by 2.

I have been at so many incident, reading a press report the next day, thinking, 'was this the same incident'.

So next time you read that, Car skidded for 100 metres turning over 6 times, or man stuck for 10 hrs you can work out the true story yourself.

I appreciate that no one on here believes the press 100% anyway. At least I hope they don't.

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Namrehno probsmost on this thread are good and can be trusted

Thank you N.T.G.

It is nice to see some are prepared to let me live a little longer.

I don't see myself as left wing, but do believe in a decent humanitarian society.

I think this produces a less discordant society, less fragmentation and less social disorder (crime).

It may surprise some that I agreed with quite a lot of what Maggie Tat, did during the period of government.

What I did not like, was the brutality with which she was prepared to introduce her policies without concern for much of society.

Her policies help to fragment society and are partially responsible for the them and us society. It also helped to develop or increase the dependant society.

If she had spread her changes over a longer period and had regard to developing work for those who became unemployed it would have become more acceptable. (I.e. evolution, not revolution.)

Also, it is forgotten that she or her policies cause the demise of a lot of our industrial base. It was bound to happen, but not at the speed it occurred.

However, if you look at her latter years, I think she was a disaster.

Anybody interested in this period, I would suggest reading :-

Simon Jenkins (2006) Thatcher & Sons - A Revolution in Three Acts Penguin, ISBN 9780713995954

(I nose around second hand book shops and picked it up some time ago and was fascinated by the information in this book. Simon Jenkins was Editor of the Times before it became a rag.)

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No I dont have a party other than birthday and Xmas parties, but I do like baiting the Blue rinses and some block headed right wingers.

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Greek, Liberals also have Ming Campbell. I have a lot of respect for him, Also a shrewd brain in Charles Kennedy who seems to remain dry.

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Fred,

Agree re.....It may surprise some that I agreed with quite a lot of what Maggie Tat, did during the period of government, as I feel the same.

What I did not like, was the brutality with which she was prepared to introduce her policies without concern for much of society.

Also agree re Ming Campbell and Charles Kennedy. It is their policies (the Liberals), that are far too lefty, minority group orientated that I have no time for.

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NN,

If it is on the shelf of my favourite shop I will do.

I suggest that anyone who is interested in Government Waste and Euro Waste, to sign up to The Tax Payers Alliance. It is free to join, although they do accept donations, but they do not badger you for such.
They are 'none political' and will send you weekly e-mails about your wasted taxes, many of which even n these times have a chance to shock.

The Tax Payers Alliance were the first to highlight the MP's expenses, which were later as we know taken up in far greater detail by The Daily Telegraph.

So even if not interested in becoming a member, it's at least worth looking at their web site.

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/

mnamreh,

You say.....G - is that because you need order and conformity in life?

Follow rules, think in straight lines, don't swim against the tide, touch forelock Sir, para-military style regime keeping a lid on free speech, ideals of family, 2.4 children, mortgage, job-for-life then pension and death.

No rage against the man anymore?

Answer no.
I am one of many that only conform if I accept it is right to do so, within reason obviously. I tend to rage a lot. Far too much according to my wife.
I agree with free speech with the proviso that those that speak do not overstep the mark by serious slander or serious personal insults, IE there has to be limits otherwise anyone could say anything about anyone. Too much freedom of speech can be as dangerous as none, look at the freedom of speech some Muslim Extremists have in this country.
Yes 2.4 children sound about right, perhaps even less in some countries otherwise we are leaving a legacy of over population for future generations, with everything that carries with it such as starvation, disease, poverty.
Job for life, pension, then death sound better than alternatives, (unless you are luck enough never to have t work).
As to swimming against the tide, as a wild swimmer this is the best way to swim for a challenge.

Regards Greek.

Greek,

Is The Tax Payers Alliance a branch of the BNP?

The Daily Telegraph? Is that Chip paper. ?

8-)

Fred,

1 No.

2 Could be.

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mnamreh,

Break the rules, yes up to a point. I always tried to treat everyone fairly, which was different from treating everyone the same.
I tried to get the job done by putting the ordinary decent member of the public first, instead of the scrote (love this definision.....noun- Literally short for scrotum. When a person, usually a male, is so useless and insignificant that they do not deserve the tiny effort it takes to spit out a second offensive syllable; less than a scrotum), which often did mean, 'swimming against the tide'.
I never believed in any physical force in interview, although it was often difficult to abstain with some of the scumbags I had to deal with, but I did not believe in sitting them down, with tea, bickies and calling them sir or madam either.
A sort of cross between, Gene Hunt (ashes to ashes) and Dixon of Dock Green.
And yes, sometimes I was a bit extra cautious in order to get along.

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And Tony said, kneel before me for I have come to save you.

So Banks are bending the rules once again to trick many saversnow there is a shock!any loyal cash Isas savers are being punished as soon as enough customers have been attracted to an accountrates are then slashedthen the final stingany stalling tactics available to themcomputers downtelephone deadpostal strikestechnical difficultiessnowcant be bothered syndrome? cheques are then used to move customers deposits for Isa transfersfunnily enough Banks wanted to stop us using cheques any more?but it gives the mafia a month or more in delaying tacticsevidently a number greater than average of these cheques go mysteriously missing in the postfinally we get pissed off and stand for the stingThe Office of Fair Trading were told last year in our highest Court that the Banks are nice people and are tricking us in a perfectly legitimate manner with overdraft chargesso I would guess those same people are being legitimately tricked once againwell that appears to be ok thenus British must keep a stiff upper lipcant arguenot the done thing