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How far down will they go (LLOY)     

mojo47 - 16 Aug 2007 13:54

any one got a feelling in their water how far LLoyds will go looking to to buy but just dont know when they are low enough

Guscavalier - 18 Sep 2008 11:54 - 89 of 483

Lloy have a pretty shrewd management imho and I think this could turn out to be the deal of a lifetime for the management. Unfortunately the pain is going to come with redundancies with probably some job losses at lloyds as well. Company's patience has been rewarded and has taken the opportunity of market uncertainty about HBOS liabilities. The Lloy management know the score and I suspect HBOS has been handed to them on a plate. It will take time for the market to settle with short term speculation of if and buts, but, if you are prepared to hold I think Lloyds will come out of this as one of the winners.

spitfire43 - 18 Sep 2008 14:35 - 90 of 483

I said last night that I had cancelled my buy order at 260p which I did, but I did replace it with another order at 235p. A little optomistic but you never know.
I do believe lloy have picked up a great bargain which will be a great profit driver in the future, and I would think that banks like RBS must be kicking themselves that they are unable to take advantage as well.

Im sure we will see plenty of nervous days ahead before things settle down, so should be able to take advantage, and carefully build a worthwhile holding.

amardev - 18 Sep 2008 14:50 - 91 of 483

Hi Spitfire 43 ................

I was just thinking about you when the sp zoomed down to your original price ........ wondering what your move might be.

Best of luck
Amar

spitfire43 - 18 Sep 2008 15:30 - 92 of 483

Hi amardev

It is over 10% down at the moment, I just couldn't resist it and have made a modest purchase at 251p

Could be a bouncy ride for a time, but I do like a good rollercoaster.

pericles - 18 Sep 2008 15:35 - 93 of 483

Surely the key to lloy succeeding with this is the govt guarantee of the near 200 billion shortfall that brought HBOS to its knees ,no doubt the default insurance of hbos loans is US AIG , interesting times!! I cant see that the smaller lloy cd take over hbos without the guarantee which was declined in the case of northern rock. Am I missing something here folks? Meanwhile the sp of rbs who, according to ft Lex Column today has a funding shortfall of a mere 150 + billion, is tanking, or should I say being "shredded"

dealerdear - 18 Sep 2008 15:39 - 94 of 483

Incorrect. RBS down 2% Barc 5% and LLOY 10% atm

required field - 18 Sep 2008 15:44 - 95 of 483

This could easily drop to below 2 in the next few days.....the bottom line is that investors...everybody likes the deal but now the time to pay for this huge takeover has come which is a bit like a big placing....you have to have funds; so the sp might suffer in the short term !.

Dil - 18 Sep 2008 15:48 - 96 of 483

Money ?

They are paying for it in shares not money.

spitfire43 - 18 Sep 2008 15:49 - 97 of 483

12% down now, if hedge funds have turned there attention to lloy, I wonder how low they would go before it would scupper the hbos deal.

We will never know what the Government have guaranteed to lloy, but I have always thought that there must be one.

required field - 18 Sep 2008 15:51 - 98 of 483

God....it's the same thing Dil, one way or another....I must say that funds permitting I might take the plunge and buy some if this drops below 2, but caution is required....got my fingers burned on so many stocks lately that I must proceed with caution !.

Strawbs - 18 Sep 2008 15:52 - 99 of 483

Maybe the HBOS shareholders could reject the offer and then table a bailout offer for Lloyds.... LOL.

Strawbs.

Dil - 18 Sep 2008 15:54 - 100 of 483

No its not required field ... LLOY have to stump up uck all but if it were a cash deal they or the shareholders would have to find 12 billion quid .... thats not the same at all in my books.

required field - 18 Sep 2008 15:55 - 101 of 483

You cannot have something for nothing in a capitalist society !, the sp will one way or another be diluted......from 2 shares there will only be one !.

dealerdear - 18 Sep 2008 15:56 - 102 of 483

As I said on the HBOS thread, they won't be allowed to bring LLOY down. I can see government action soon if it continues or even a suspension of the SM

Dil - 18 Sep 2008 15:57 - 103 of 483

If your short then say so required field but stop spouting crap.

How much are LLOY paying in cash and to whom ????

required field - 18 Sep 2008 16:01 - 104 of 483

No not short, not enough funds and risky.....it's a good deal but I'm just saying that Lloyds sp is probably going to tumble as now it owns HBOS's troubles !.

dealerdear - 18 Sep 2008 16:04 - 105 of 483

This is just about hedge funds and possibly other banks getting together and making money by shorting. End of story.

Mind you, if the banks all short each other and they all go bankrupt, be a bit ironic wouldn't it.

required field - 18 Sep 2008 16:10 - 106 of 483

What was I saying about the sp ! take a look now !.

required field - 18 Sep 2008 16:13 - 107 of 483

I don't know about you lot but on my screen it is all over the place...crazy !.

mitzy - 18 Sep 2008 16:14 - 108 of 483

Jesus H Corbett this is going under..
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