Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

What I don't understand is that the AV system works with voters ranking the candidates in order of preference rather than just marking one candidate with an X.

How, therefore, can the Electoral Reform Society (or whatever they're called) categorically say what would have happened in this election given that they don't know how the electorate would have ranked the other candidates?

Is that a Quango Moment?

Look at the table at the bottom of the page

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/10/proportional-representation-general-election-2010

SNP get 6, 5, 9, or 13 depending on the system. AV gives them 5.

Interestingly Conservatives would have got the most under all systems.

Haystack,

The notes to the figures in the Grauniad link confirm exactly the point that I was trying to make.

UPDATE: As several posters have noted below, this is hardly an exact science. If it helps, here's the methodology from the ERS summarised:

Our simulations should be regarded as illustrative the picture they give is necessarily a rough one.

The ERS figures are pretty much plucked out of thin air, in the absence of knowing exactly how the electorate would have placed their 2nd and 3rd choice votes.

Well, it seems that the Libs/dems have done a deal with the cons. More than a little surprised and think many members of the L/Ds many of the public will feel betrayed by people by Clegg's decision.


I feel sorry for the rank and file of the of the L/D party and think there will be a exodus from the party, unless they have PR or equivalent before the dissolution of parliament.

Also, without PR at the next election I can see the L/D being decimated and a backlash against the tories.

Interesting, to see how the coalition pans out, but I would be surprised, if the proposed coalition, will last longer than 18months.

I would think the Labours will be happy to lose the responsibility and consequences of this government and will benefit from reorganisation.

Hopefully, they might learned the consequences of fragmentation.

I wonder what the SNP and Scottish Labour party will do.

The Scots are complaining that the new government has no manfate to govern in Scotland. They would have said that anyway if the Conservatives had a majority. As my constituency voted overwhelmingly Labour, I could claim that the new government has no mandate to govern me. The Scotland is just northern England. I used to be married to a girl from Elgin and I used to write to him at Elgin, Morayshire, Northern England.

The liberals will go along with almost anything the Conservatives want to do as they cannot afford another election. Labour are broke as well. Hopefully, cameron will do a few popuklar things and then call an election before a year is out. The Liberals could take some credit if things go well and hopefully reduce the Labour share of the vote. We we really need is Labour to crumble with the Liberals taking over the roll of opposition.

From what many Labour and Conservative MPs have bee saying, PR is almost impossible to get passed into law. Lots of Labour MPs only got in because of first past the post.

He's gone ,thank god !!! just watching his resignation live ..Thank the lord and i'm not even religious.

not only the end of Brown but also the end of Mandelson

and I suspect Gordon will be glad to see the back of him as well

Mr and Mrs Brown leaving the palace now

off to the Holiday Inn perhaps

not for boom and bust but bed and breakfast

and like the rest of us, he is now stuck in the traffic

welcome to the real world

I am confused by :

"The Scotland is just northern England. I used to be married to a girl from Elgin and I used to write to him at Elgin, Morayshire, Northern England."

As you used the past tense, I can understand why she may feel happy to escape any obligation she may have felt to you.

But your statement does confuse me.

I would expect a job for G Brown in the EU, or even the UN.

There's nothing confusing about it. Clearly the girl used to be a man.

He' going to work for charity ,probably at the Oxfam shop on Edinburgh.

Working for a charity, I hope they don't make him treasurer.
Working for the EU, I thought as PM he was already doing that by not allowing a referendum.
Working for the UN, should fit in well. They are just about as disjointed as the Labour party is.

But seriously, I can see him working for the EU or the UN.

will that be before or after he pens his autobiography and pockets a few bob?

Stable,

His autobiography should be interesting.

Buy it, It may help to educate you.

Surely you don't expect Gordon to tell the truth. It would be a major change for him if he did.

MICHEAL JACKSON IS ALIVE !!! and posing as a burns victim check it out on Yahoo......... ..If thats true i reackon he'll be rereleasing don't blame it on the sunshine ..

Fred - You used to be an arse. You're rapidly slipping forward.