Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Aldwickk,

Fully agree.
This will cause controversy, but to my mind there are many people who by their actions have give up any right to 'human rights'. That does not mean they should be open to any type of inhuman treatment, just that they should be either put away forever, basic food the minimum to keep them alive, with only water to drink and no privileges, although I would allow a radio for a few hours a day just so they would know about the world they were missing out on.
I would also take them out into the sunlight for a few minutes a month for the same reason.
The alternative would be to take them out an shoot them.
We are far too liberally minded when it comes to what can only be described as scum. There are too many people who try to find excuses for these people. Yes I know that many people have a lousy start in life, but they do not all turn to sadistic crimes and the like. Many are just bad, as simple as that.
There are many people who the world would be far better off without.
I am of course, talking about those who commit the worse type of inhuman crimes.
I have seen too many seriously abused kids, both physically, mentally and sexually, as well as victims of other what can only be described as heinous crimes and abuse.
Rant over (well for now anyway).

I see that a bull took its revenge in Spain by charging into the crowd....poor thing...I hate bullfighting and it should be banned quickly...to my thinking : if the spectators go to see a bull being harmed then they should have no complaints about being harmed themselves...in fact it serves them right.

Rf,

I did feel sorry for any kids involved as often they have no choice but to go with their parents.
As for the adults fully agree. These bulls are not just killed, but injured/tortured to make them mad. Well it certainly worked with this bull.
No doubt many will say it is a traditional sport. Well so was cock fighting, bull baiting and gladiatorial contests.
Bull fighting is barbaric. Why they call it fighting, I have no idea. The bull can never hope to win, no matter how much of a fight it puts up.
Early on in the fight, the picador stabs just behind the morillo, a mound of muscle on the fighting bull's neck, weakening the neck muscles and leading to the animal's first loss of blood. Then three banderilleros each attempt to plant two banderillas, sharp barbed sticks into the bull's shoulders. These anger and invigorate the bull who has been tired by his attacks on the horse and the damage he has taken from the lance. Sometimes a matador will place his own banderillas.
Matadors are very brave people, but I have no sympathy for any that get injured or killed. They have a choice, the bull doesn't.
It should be called, Bull batting, not Bull fighting!
It has been banned in Catalonia, so why not other Spanish areas, and those other countries that have bull fighting.

Greek,

I "feel" the same about boxing.

Think of it legalised "thuggery".

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Bull fighting and boxing ? the boxer has a choice , he can quit when every he wants to. the odds against the bull winning are nearly nil , the bull is killed even if it wins.

I think the age of consent for boxing should be raised to about 75.

The majority of the "foolowers" of the "art of boxing", are indoctrinated by their parents during childhood. Similar to the "fox hunting" and "bull fighting brigades".


Look at the "fighting" families of the "east ends" of the poorer parts of various towns and cities in this country.

Future bully boys and army fodder.

They only think they have choice. Many never revise their thinking, and continue their ways on blind belief.

If many saw a person hammering another person on the street, in the same way as they laud somebody doing the same in a boxing ring, they would demanding "police" action.

Hi Fred,

I sometimes wonder if we will ever agree on anything. As Aldwickk states, boxers have a choice. My old club had a saying, 'Boxing was a way of channeling aggression, by way of a discipline approach to physical and mental training. As most boxing clubs are in or near areas of so called deprivation, with the vast majority of boxers being young adults who live in these areas, I believe the sport does far more good than harm. I personally know many, kids, youths and even a few adults, who have turned their lives round by becoming interested in boxing.
Boxing clubs have probably done more good at channeling youngsters away from crime, drugs and the like than any government initiative, and at a far lower cost.
If a boxer becomes 'carded' (licensed) as an amateur and he is later convicted of an assault, they stand a good chance of either loosing their license to box or having it suspended.

You say, 'If many saw a person hammering another person on the street, in the same way as they laud somebody doing the same in a boxing ring, they would demanding "police" action'.

I have to say that your comparison is utterly ridiculous. I have been in several bouts/sparing with boxers who I would call friends. We are all in the sport and fight through choice. We bruise, bleed a bit then hug each other when the final bell goes. That is not thuggery.

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It seems similar to dog fighting to me.

N.

I think it impossible to grow up without feeling physical pain. (There are a few exceptions, such as those who have brain abnormalities or damage.)

Also, it is obvious there are few, who at some time in their development have not fallen down and hurt themselves.

They can and do interpret that pain (for example), in relationship to their own future possibility of pain to themselves and the potential pain of others.

(Look at the bases of some humour.)

If you talking about about anger management, I would suggest awareness and consequence management would be more appropriate.

I played contact and non-contact sports until I was in my 50s and it didn't think that contact sport reduced the incidents of thuggery in the group who took part. It just made them fitter.

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I do not get any thrill or enjoyment inflicting pain on others, and it goes without saying (funny how people say that then still say it) even less in receiving it.
But I do get enjoyment and a thrill at pitting my limited boxing skills against another opponent. I have also trained in other martial arts, but boxing is the only martial art where you can really 'follow through' to your maximum capability. This to me makes it the ultimate martial art.

Fred,

I think I will leave it there as I feel we have about as much chance of agreeing about boxing as we do about politics.
Now I wonder who would have won in the ring, Cameron, Clegg or Brown.

Regards Greek

Brown,

He would slug it out.

Fox hunting (just as bad as bull fighting) with a pack of dogs is another terrible sport, but I agree that a farmer should have the right to kill a fox that has slaughtered all his chickens.....to me boxing is a sport and the refs do stop the fight if things get out of hand !.

Hopefully fox hunting will return when the Conservative get re-elected next time without a coalition.

Hopefully ?...I want it banned for good....

I am an animal lover, who is anti fox hunting. I also live in the country within 2 miles of a very large hunting kennels.
The most ridiculous argument for fox hunting is that it keeps the fox population down. Well it doesn't, as it is one of the least effective ways of reducing the population.
Also although they call it sport, I have seen foxes dug out when they have managed to beat the hounds home, or a terrier is put down to kill the fox. Also the hunts often pre block the foxes dens prior to hunt day. And yet hunts and their supporters, say it is the thrill of the chase, not the kill that is important. If so why not at least allow the fox, who has made it home a chance to live and run another day.
Hunts also cause a large amount of damage to crops, and livestock. I have seen the hounds a few times, panic sheep and cattle.
The hounds also are the cause of many road traffic accidents.
When I used to Police the local hunt, the hunt members thought that I was a supporter, as from an often advantage point, I would, if asked direct the hunt in the direction of the fox, who's scent had been lost, always sending them in the wrong direction. Hopefully I saved a few foxes this way.
Wildlife is a main hobby of mine, so I make no excuses.
Many years ago, a friend of mine was paid by the local hunt to 'block' dens.
He was also an animal lover, who knew more about the fox and its territory than many of the hunt members, so both he and myself would re visit the dens the night prior to the hunt and unblock one entry.
We then poured small amounts of petrol across the tracks we new the fox would use to get to the den.
If it was dry, we would use pepper. Neither of these harmed the hounds.
As to the hunt regalia and pageantry, I love it. But they can change to drag hunting, which has the same thrill (if you believe them, that the kill is not important) and is safer, as the person laying the trail avoids roads as much as possible, livestock and crops.
People also forget or just don't know, that most hounds are put down when they have come to the end of their hunting usefulness, about 6 years old, but it could be 8 (not certain re age). Very few make good pets.

Good post greekman....I would arm the fox with a crossbow....

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RF,

When two opponents are brain dead the ref doesn't realise the damage being inflicted.

I think the obvious unnecessary inflicting of pain onto others for self satisfaction is not that inspiring.

Greek, Like you I was taught and learnt some "self-defence", but was suspended for 6 weeks for using what I knew reflexly, when playing rugby.

Long story and there were three victims and my punishment was light, due to the ref. saying that he had witnessed what had led up to the "incident".

Stopped training for a while, but later when "training" in the Gym with a friend threw a punch at him while sparring and thought I had killed him.

Stopped, contact sports after that.